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			<description><![CDATA[<p>It's recent events like the <a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/serious-threat-to-web-in-italy.html">Italian trial of the Google employees</a> which makes me quite thankful that in the United States we have an established principle like Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.  Still, even that may not protect the employees from criminal liability like what occurred in the Google matter.</p>
<p>Briefly, Section 230(c)(1) provides immunity from liability for providers and users of an interactive computer service who publish information provided by others:<br>
<strong><em>No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.</em></strong></p>
<p>In order to use this provision, there are three elements:</p>
<p>   1. The defendant must be a provider or user of an interactive computer service.<br>
   2. The cause of action asserted by the plaintiff must treat the defendant as the publisher or speaker of the published information at issue.<br>
   3. The information must be provided by another information content provider, i.e., the defendant must not be the information content provider of the published information at issue.</p>
<p>Section 230 does not protect providers or users from all harms, for example it would not protect the provider or user from criminal copyright infringement, or from violating fair housing laws, etc.  Still, the fact that it works as it does provides us with the modern internet we know today.</p>
<div><h3>Related Posts:</h3><ul><li><a href="http://www.cyberlawcentral.com/2006/01/31/first-google-censors-china-now-wikipedia-censors-congress/" rel="bookmark">First Google censors China, now Wikipedia censors Congress</a></li><li><a href="http://www.cyberlawcentral.com/2006/01/27/a-sad-day-in-the-blogosphere/" rel="bookmark">A sad day in the neighborhood</a></li><li><a href="http://www.cyberlawcentral.com/2006/11/16/craigslist-not-liable-for-publishing-discriminatory-advertisements/" rel="bookmark">Craigslist Not Liable for Publishing Discriminatory Advertisements</a></li><li><a href="http://www.cyberlawcentral.com/2007/03/17/commentary-googleyoutube-sued-by-viacom/" rel="bookmark">Commentary: Google/YouTube sued by Viacom</a></li><li><a href="http://www.cyberlawcentral.com/2006/02/01/trade-secrets-hub-group-inc-v-clancy-plaintiff-unable-to-obtain-preliminary-injunction/" rel="bookmark">Trade Secrets: Hub Group, Inc. v. Clancy  Plaintiff unable to obtain preliminary injunction</a></li></ul></div><p><a href="http://www.cyberlawcentral.com/2010/03/13/why-im-thankful-for-section-230/">Why I'm thankful for Section 230</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.cyberlawcentral.com">Cyberlaw Central</a></p>
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</div><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/information">information</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/information"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/information.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/provider">provider</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/provider"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/provider.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/section">section</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/section"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/section.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/google">google</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/google"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/google.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/provided">provided</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/provided"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/provided.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's recent events like the <a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/serious-threat-to-web-in-italy.html">Italian trial of the Google employees</a> which makes me quite thankful that in the United States we have an established principle like Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.  Still, even that may not protect the employees from criminal liability like what occurred in the Google matter.</p>
<p>Briefly, Section 230(c)(1) provides immunity from liability for providers and users of an interactive computer service who publish information provided by others:<br>
<strong><em>No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.</em></strong></p>
<p>In order to use this provision, there are three elements:</p>
<p>   1. The defendant must be a provider or user of an interactive computer service.<br>
   2. The cause of action asserted by the plaintiff must treat the defendant as the publisher or speaker of the published information at issue.<br>
   3. The information must be provided by another information content provider, i.e., the defendant must not be the information content provider of the published information at issue.</p>
<p>Section 230 does not protect providers or users from all harms, for example it would not protect the provider or user from criminal copyright infringement, or from violating fair housing laws, etc.  Still, the fact that it works as it does provides us with the modern internet we know today.</p>
<div><h3>Related Posts:</h3><ul><li><a href="http://www.cyberlawcentral.com/2006/01/31/first-google-censors-china-now-wikipedia-censors-congress/" rel="bookmark">First Google censors China, now Wikipedia censors Congress</a></li><li><a href="http://www.cyberlawcentral.com/2006/01/27/a-sad-day-in-the-blogosphere/" rel="bookmark">A sad day in the neighborhood</a></li><li><a href="http://www.cyberlawcentral.com/2006/11/16/craigslist-not-liable-for-publishing-discriminatory-advertisements/" rel="bookmark">Craigslist Not Liable for Publishing Discriminatory Advertisements</a></li><li><a href="http://www.cyberlawcentral.com/2007/03/17/commentary-googleyoutube-sued-by-viacom/" rel="bookmark">Commentary: Google/YouTube sued by Viacom</a></li><li><a href="http://www.cyberlawcentral.com/2006/02/01/trade-secrets-hub-group-inc-v-clancy-plaintiff-unable-to-obtain-preliminary-injunction/" rel="bookmark">Trade Secrets: Hub Group, Inc. v. Clancy  Plaintiff unable to obtain preliminary injunction</a></li></ul></div><p><a href="http://www.cyberlawcentral.com/2010/03/13/why-im-thankful-for-section-230/">Why I'm thankful for Section 230</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.cyberlawcentral.com">Cyberlaw Central</a></p>
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			<description><![CDATA[<br><p><img src="http://tctechcrunch.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/cr1.jpg" alt=""><em><a href="http://www.sfweekly.com/">SFWeekly</a> Web Editor <a href="http://www.crunchbase.com/person/alexia-tsotsis">Alexia Tsotsis</a> (not pictured left) spent some time early this morning trying out <a href="http://chatroulette.com/">Chatroulette</a>, a website that connects random strangers for a video chat. The results are unlikely to surprise you. Unless you are new to this whole Internet thing. Screen shots of some of her more entertaining chats are below the post.</em></p>
<p>Harkening back to the days of <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=a%2Fs%2Fl">A/S/L</a>, the random vidchat service Chatroulette is one of those online arenas where not being a white male looking to get off puts you in a definite minority. Founded by a 17 year-old Russian high school <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/13/chatroulettes-founder-17-introduces-himself/">student</a> named <a href="http://www.crunchbase.com/person/andrew-ternovskiy">Andrew Ternovskiy</a>, the service is a more successful <a href="http://omegle.com/">Omegle</a>, combining elements of the MTV show <a href="http://www.mtv.com/shows/next/series.jhtml">Next</a> with vidchat capabilities.</p>
<p>Aspiring chatees click to play and as an escape latch you or your partner can hit Next anytime if you get bored, scared, or have to get back to work. The Report video as inappropriate button also seems to provide some comfort, but by judging by the nsfw fare served to me last night, doesn't provide much of a threat.</p>
<p>I pressed play last night at around 3:00 am PST and after about 45 clicks on Next encountered 5 straight up penis shots, a lot of camera disabled chats, two women who automatically clicked Next once they figured out that I too was a female, and a lot of very grateful looking guys, including a Chinese fan of Google and a French guy in indoor sunglasses, who asked me whether I was a more dominate lady or submissive woman in the hope that I would be the former.</p>
<p>Out of the 10,920 of my fellow Chatroulette participants, my Roulettees were a good cross section of Internet humanity. And while I did not encounter the suicide hanging videos alluded to in many of the chats, things like did you hear the one about the guy who shot himself in the bath tub, were brought up in conversation quite a few times, as examples of just how crazy Chatroulette can get.  </p>
<p>Anywhere you get a mass of people communicating uncensored (and yes much like 4chan.org, China has not yet blocked Chatroulette) will be subject to typical groupthink behavior like urban myths and requests for interaction better left to the casual encounters section of Craigslist. Nonetheless, the service's potential for more substantial acts of communication is formidable.</p>
<p>Chatroulette is what you'd expect it to be, micro-interactive reality TV with a large heaping of cybersex. While most people are (whether they admit it or not) voyeurs  the fact that Chatroulette lets the both participants see each other limits the site's potential user base to the weirdos  and despite <a href="http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2010/02/some-interesting-facts-about-chatroulette.html">piquing</a> VC <a href="http://www.crunchbase.com/person/fred-wilson">Fred Wilson's</a> interest it doesn't seem like there's currently enough weirdos to turn the humble startup into something mainstream. </p>
<p>One Roulettee, when asked what he thought the service was most useful for, responded, connecting with people around the world. Yeah, and asking them to show you their boobs. </p>
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<p>Harkening back to the days of <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=a%2Fs%2Fl">A/S/L</a>, the random vidchat service Chatroulette is one of those online arenas where not being a white male looking to get off puts you in a definite minority. Founded by a 17 year-old Russian high school <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/13/chatroulettes-founder-17-introduces-himself/">student</a> named <a href="http://www.crunchbase.com/person/andrew-ternovskiy">Andrew Ternovskiy</a>, the service is a more successful <a href="http://omegle.com/">Omegle</a>, combining elements of the MTV show <a href="http://www.mtv.com/shows/next/series.jhtml">Next</a> with vidchat capabilities.</p>
<p>Aspiring chatees click to play and as an escape latch you or your partner can hit Next anytime if you get bored, scared, or have to get back to work. The Report video as inappropriate button also seems to provide some comfort, but by judging by the nsfw fare served to me last night, doesn't provide much of a threat.</p>
<p>I pressed play last night at around 3:00 am PST and after about 45 clicks on Next encountered 5 straight up penis shots, a lot of camera disabled chats, two women who automatically clicked Next once they figured out that I too was a female, and a lot of very grateful looking guys, including a Chinese fan of Google and a French guy in indoor sunglasses, who asked me whether I was a more dominate lady or submissive woman in the hope that I would be the former.</p>
<p>Out of the 10,920 of my fellow Chatroulette participants, my Roulettees were a good cross section of Internet humanity. And while I did not encounter the suicide hanging videos alluded to in many of the chats, things like did you hear the one about the guy who shot himself in the bath tub, were brought up in conversation quite a few times, as examples of just how crazy Chatroulette can get.  </p>
<p>Anywhere you get a mass of people communicating uncensored (and yes much like 4chan.org, China has not yet blocked Chatroulette) will be subject to typical groupthink behavior like urban myths and requests for interaction better left to the casual encounters section of Craigslist. Nonetheless, the service's potential for more substantial acts of communication is formidable.</p>
<p>Chatroulette is what you'd expect it to be, micro-interactive reality TV with a large heaping of cybersex. While most people are (whether they admit it or not) voyeurs  the fact that Chatroulette lets the both participants see each other limits the site's potential user base to the weirdos  and despite <a href="http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2010/02/some-interesting-facts-about-chatroulette.html">piquing</a> VC <a href="http://www.crunchbase.com/person/fred-wilson">Fred Wilson's</a> interest it doesn't seem like there's currently enough weirdos to turn the humble startup into something mainstream. </p>
<p>One Roulettee, when asked what he thought the service was most useful for, responded, connecting with people around the world. Yeah, and asking them to show you their boobs. </p>
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         <title>47 USC 230 Year-in-Review for 2009</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>By Eric Goldman</p>

<p>I will do a more comprehensive year in review for Cyberlaw generally, but I thought it would be fun to take a close look at how 47 USC 230 fared in 2009.  This is the first full calendar year following <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/04/roommatescom_de_1.htm">the Ninth Circuit's en banc Roommates.com opinion</a>, and many of us initially feared that the case would create a huge hole in 230's otherwise solid immunity.  As it turns out, those concerns have not come to pass.  If anything, 2009 shows us just how strong the immunity remains.  </p>

<p>I blogged on a total of 22 cases issued in 2009 that discussed the statute.  (I blog on every case I see that substantively discusses 47 USC 230).  I blogged on other cases in 2009 that were decided before 2009, such as the <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/02/republishing_so.htm">Woodhull v. Meinel case</a> from October 2008 and <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/08/private_high_sc.htm">DC v. Harvard-Westlake</a>, a 2007 arbitrator's dismissal that came to light in 2009.</p>

<p>Of the 22 calendar year 2009 cases, I would classify 14 of them (63%) as easy defense wins, frequently on a 12(b)(6) motion to dismiss or state law equivalent.  Even many of the remaining 8 cases contained good news for defendants.  For example, in Shiamili, the defense inexplicably lost at the district court level but got an easy reversal on appeal.  The Stayart court granted Yahoo an easy defense win, although co-defendant Various didn't get the 230 ruling.  Similarly, the Barnes case granted the defense an easy 230 win on one theory (negligent undertaking) but denied 230 for a different one (promissory estoppel).  The Certain Approval Process case said 230 did not prevent the plaintiff from amending the complaint to add a cause of action, but once added, the court <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/04/certain_approva.htm">instantly zapped the claim</a> on other grounds.</p>

<p>This leaves four unambiguous 230 defense losses in 2009.  The leading 230 defense loss was the Tenth Circuit FTC v. Accusearch case, which held a retailer liable for reselling illicit phone records.  The other major 230 defense loss was the NPS v. StubHub case, which held that 230 may not apply to a lawsuit over the alleged illegal ticket scalping by StubHub's sellers.  Both of these cases involve the retailing of illegal items, suggesting that 230's boundaries may not reach that far.</p>

<p>The other two defense losses are less consequential.  The Project Playlist held that 230 does not preempt state IP law claims, a conclusion that deserves note only because the Ninth Circuit held otherwise in the <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2007/03/ninth_circuit_o.htm">2007 ccBill case</a>.  I believe that no other courts will follow the Ninth Circuit's rule that 230 preempts state IP laws, making the Project Playlist ruling unsurprising.</p>

<p>In People v. Gourlay, a web host was denied a 230 defense to a criminal prosecution for child molestation- and child pornography-related claims.  This case turns mostly on the web host's active role creating the child pornography (as well as the host's molestation of the child actor); with that context, this case may have little influence on other cases.  Indeed, the court made clear that web hosts providing standard web hosting services could fully qualify for 230 protection against a state criminal prosecution of child pornography dissemination.</p>

<p>In reverse chronological order, a brief overview of the 230 cases from 2009:</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/12/consumer_review_1.htm">Nemet Chevrolet v. ConsumerAffairs.com</a> (4th Cir. Dec. 29, 2009).  One of three federal appellate court 230(c)(1) rulings in 2009 (Barnes and Accusearch are the others).  A solid defense win for a consumer review website.  The plaintiff's claims that the website contributed to the reviews' development and fabricated reviews were tossed on a 12(b)(6) motion to dismiss.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/12/website_initial.htm">Shiamili v. Real Estate Group</a> (N.Y. App. Div. Dec. 17, 2009).  In an unpublicized January 2009 decision, the trial court denied a website's 230 dismissal request for claims based on user-supplied comments.  In December, this error was fixed on appeal despite allegations that the website chooses and administers the user content.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/10/craigslist_isnt.htm">Dart v. Craigslist</a> (N.D. Ill. Oct. 20, 2009).  Craigslist got a big win in its ongoing battles with various government agencies over prostitution ads on Craigslist when the court held it wasn't liable for those ads.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/11/myspace_quietly.htm">Riggs v. MySpace</a> (C.D. Cal. Sept. 17, 2009).  A goofy case.  The court holds that MySpace's deletion of Riggs' account was protected by 230(c)(1) on the apparent theory that Riggs (the plaintiff) was the third party supplier of the deleted content.  This case would make more sense as a 230(c)(2) case.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/10/facebook_not_li.htm">Finkel v. Facebook</a> (N.Y. Sup. Ct. Sept. 15, 2009).  Facebook wasn't liable for the contents of a user's private group even though Facebook placed a copyright notice on the page.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/10/ripoff_report_r_2.htm">Intellect Art v. Milewski</a> (N.Y. Sup. Ct. Sept. 15, 2009).  Ripoff Report wins again.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/09/yahoos_search_r.htm">Stayart v. Yahoo</a> (E.D. Wis. Aug. 28, 2009).  An convoluted, and possibly confused, ruling that Yahoo wasn't liable for search results snippets.  However, Various was denied 230 because it may have originated the content in question.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/08/online_retailer_1.htm">Cornelius v. DeLuca</a> (E.D. Mo. Aug. 18, 2009).  An online retailer wasn't liable for user-supplied comments despite a conspiracy allegation.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/07/google_not_liab.htm">Goddard v. Google</a> (N.D. Cal. July 30, 2009).  This is a follow-on ruling to an important <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/12/lawsuit_over_go.htm">December 2008 ruling</a> in this case, which dismissed the plaintiff's complaints but gave the plaintiffs another chance.  The December 2008 ruling is one of the most interesting and important decisions interpreting Roommates.com.  In the July ruling, the judge again found that 230 insulates Google from liability due to allegedly fraudulent ads run through its network and granted a final dismissal.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/07/myspace_wins_an.htm">Doe II v. MySpace</a> (Cal. App. Ct. June 30, 2009).  MySpace isn't liable for users' sexual assaults on other users.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/06/roommatescom_in.htm">FTC v. Accusearch</a> (10th Cir. June 29, 2009).  The second of three federal appellate court rulings on 230(c)(1).  The defendant was an online retailer of illegal phone records.  The retailer claimed that the phone records came from third party suppliers and therefore 230 immunized the retailer from liability associated with the records.  The court echoed the Ninth Circuit's Roommates.com decision, effectively extending that case to the Tenth Circuit, and said that the retailer was responsible for selling the illicit phone records despite 230.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/06/antispyware_com.htm">Zango v. Kaspersky</a>  (9th Cir. June 25, 2009).  This is the only 2009 ruling addressing 47 USC 230(c)(2), the overshadowed and frequently overlooked sibling of 230(c)(1).  Despite the rarity of 230(c)(2) cases, this case could be fairly influential.  The Ninth Circuit held that 230(c)(2) protected an anti-spyware software vendor's decision to classify software as a threat.  If you missed it, you might want to take a look at my <a href="http://www.ericgoldman.org/Speeches/47usc230c2.pdf">presentation slides on 230(c)(2)</a>, which distill my deep look at 230(c)(2) this summer.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/06/47_usc_230_can.htm">Gibson v. Craigslist</a>  (S.D.N.Y. June 15, 2009).  Craigslist isn't liable for physical injury caused by a gun purchased via a Craigslist ad.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/06/doe_v_myspacesa.htm">Doe IX v. MySpace</a> (E.D. Tex. May 22, 2009).  MySpace isn't liable for users' sexual assaults on other users.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/05/ninth_circuit_m.htm">Barnes v. Yahoo</a> (9th Cir. May 7, 2009; <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/06/ninth_circuit_h.htm">amended opinion</a> June 22, 2009).  The third of three federal appellate court opinions on 230(c)(1).  The Ninth Circuit held that 230 preempted a claim against a service provider for negligently delaying the removal of user content (essentially, Zeran redux), but 230 did not preempt a promissory estoppel claim based on promises the service provider made to the person requesting takedown.  The initial Ninth Circuit opinion had two other unfortunate digressions: (1) it said that 230 was an affirmative defense that did not support a 12(b)(6) motion to dismiss, and (2) the opinion had ambiguous language implying that 230 preempted only state claims, not federal claims.  The amended opinion helpfully eliminated both digressions.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/04/230_doesnt_pree.htm">Atlantic Records v. Project Playlist</a>  (S.D.N.Y. March 25, 2009).  230 does not preempt a state IP claimin this case, a violation of state copyright law for pre-1972 sound recordings.  </p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/03/soccer_coach_sh.htm">Joyner v. Lazzareschi</a> (Cal. App. Ct. March 18, 2009).  A message board operator wasn't liable for user posts.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/03/union_isnt_liab.htm">Raggi v. Las Vegas Police</a> (D. Nev. March 10, 2009).  A union wasn't liable for messages that union members posted on the union-operated message board.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/03/ripoff_report_l.htm">Certain Approval Programs v. Xcentric Ventures</a> (D. Ariz. March 9, 2009).  230 did not bar amending a complaint to add a new cause of action when the plaintiff also adequately alleged that the Ripoff Report contributed to the creation and development of the content at issue. </p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/03/web_host_convic.htm">People v. Gourlay</a> (Mich. App. Ct. March 3, 2009).  This case involves the prosecution of a pornographic web host who also molested the child actor.  The web host asserted a 230 defense in trying to overturn the conviction for the charges related to pornography dissemination.  Although 230 can preempt state criminal prosecutions, and web hosts are protected by 230 for their ordinary web hosting activities, this web host actively participated in the site's development and therefore lost 230's protection.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/04/two_47_usc_230.htm">NPS v. StubHub</a>  (Mass. Super. Ct. Jan. 26, 2009).  In a long-running battle between the New England Patriots and season ticketholders who want to resell their tickets via StubHub, StubHub was denied summary judgment on 230 grounds.  The court cites Roommates.com in saying that StubHub may have contributed to illegal ticket scalping sufficient to potentially disqualify it for 230 protection.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/01/ripoff_report_r_1.htm">GW Equity v. Xcentric Ventures</a> (N.D. Tex. Jan. 9, 2009).  Ripoff Report is protected by 230 even though it offers pull-down menus and manipulates user-submitted reports.</p><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/case">case</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/case"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/case.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/court">court</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/court"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/court.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/defense">defense</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/defense"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/defense.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/liable">liable</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/liable"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/liable.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/web">web</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/web"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/web.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Eric Goldman</p>

<p>I will do a more comprehensive year in review for Cyberlaw generally, but I thought it would be fun to take a close look at how 47 USC 230 fared in 2009.  This is the first full calendar year following <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/04/roommatescom_de_1.htm">the Ninth Circuit's en banc Roommates.com opinion</a>, and many of us initially feared that the case would create a huge hole in 230's otherwise solid immunity.  As it turns out, those concerns have not come to pass.  If anything, 2009 shows us just how strong the immunity remains.  </p>

<p>I blogged on a total of 22 cases issued in 2009 that discussed the statute.  (I blog on every case I see that substantively discusses 47 USC 230).  I blogged on other cases in 2009 that were decided before 2009, such as the <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/02/republishing_so.htm">Woodhull v. Meinel case</a> from October 2008 and <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/08/private_high_sc.htm">DC v. Harvard-Westlake</a>, a 2007 arbitrator's dismissal that came to light in 2009.</p>

<p>Of the 22 calendar year 2009 cases, I would classify 14 of them (63%) as easy defense wins, frequently on a 12(b)(6) motion to dismiss or state law equivalent.  Even many of the remaining 8 cases contained good news for defendants.  For example, in Shiamili, the defense inexplicably lost at the district court level but got an easy reversal on appeal.  The Stayart court granted Yahoo an easy defense win, although co-defendant Various didn't get the 230 ruling.  Similarly, the Barnes case granted the defense an easy 230 win on one theory (negligent undertaking) but denied 230 for a different one (promissory estoppel).  The Certain Approval Process case said 230 did not prevent the plaintiff from amending the complaint to add a cause of action, but once added, the court <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/04/certain_approva.htm">instantly zapped the claim</a> on other grounds.</p>

<p>This leaves four unambiguous 230 defense losses in 2009.  The leading 230 defense loss was the Tenth Circuit FTC v. Accusearch case, which held a retailer liable for reselling illicit phone records.  The other major 230 defense loss was the NPS v. StubHub case, which held that 230 may not apply to a lawsuit over the alleged illegal ticket scalping by StubHub's sellers.  Both of these cases involve the retailing of illegal items, suggesting that 230's boundaries may not reach that far.</p>

<p>The other two defense losses are less consequential.  The Project Playlist held that 230 does not preempt state IP law claims, a conclusion that deserves note only because the Ninth Circuit held otherwise in the <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2007/03/ninth_circuit_o.htm">2007 ccBill case</a>.  I believe that no other courts will follow the Ninth Circuit's rule that 230 preempts state IP laws, making the Project Playlist ruling unsurprising.</p>

<p>In People v. Gourlay, a web host was denied a 230 defense to a criminal prosecution for child molestation- and child pornography-related claims.  This case turns mostly on the web host's active role creating the child pornography (as well as the host's molestation of the child actor); with that context, this case may have little influence on other cases.  Indeed, the court made clear that web hosts providing standard web hosting services could fully qualify for 230 protection against a state criminal prosecution of child pornography dissemination.</p>

<p>In reverse chronological order, a brief overview of the 230 cases from 2009:</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/12/consumer_review_1.htm">Nemet Chevrolet v. ConsumerAffairs.com</a> (4th Cir. Dec. 29, 2009).  One of three federal appellate court 230(c)(1) rulings in 2009 (Barnes and Accusearch are the others).  A solid defense win for a consumer review website.  The plaintiff's claims that the website contributed to the reviews' development and fabricated reviews were tossed on a 12(b)(6) motion to dismiss.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/12/website_initial.htm">Shiamili v. Real Estate Group</a> (N.Y. App. Div. Dec. 17, 2009).  In an unpublicized January 2009 decision, the trial court denied a website's 230 dismissal request for claims based on user-supplied comments.  In December, this error was fixed on appeal despite allegations that the website chooses and administers the user content.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/10/craigslist_isnt.htm">Dart v. Craigslist</a> (N.D. Ill. Oct. 20, 2009).  Craigslist got a big win in its ongoing battles with various government agencies over prostitution ads on Craigslist when the court held it wasn't liable for those ads.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/11/myspace_quietly.htm">Riggs v. MySpace</a> (C.D. Cal. Sept. 17, 2009).  A goofy case.  The court holds that MySpace's deletion of Riggs' account was protected by 230(c)(1) on the apparent theory that Riggs (the plaintiff) was the third party supplier of the deleted content.  This case would make more sense as a 230(c)(2) case.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/10/facebook_not_li.htm">Finkel v. Facebook</a> (N.Y. Sup. Ct. Sept. 15, 2009).  Facebook wasn't liable for the contents of a user's private group even though Facebook placed a copyright notice on the page.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/10/ripoff_report_r_2.htm">Intellect Art v. Milewski</a> (N.Y. Sup. Ct. Sept. 15, 2009).  Ripoff Report wins again.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/09/yahoos_search_r.htm">Stayart v. Yahoo</a> (E.D. Wis. Aug. 28, 2009).  An convoluted, and possibly confused, ruling that Yahoo wasn't liable for search results snippets.  However, Various was denied 230 because it may have originated the content in question.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/08/online_retailer_1.htm">Cornelius v. DeLuca</a> (E.D. Mo. Aug. 18, 2009).  An online retailer wasn't liable for user-supplied comments despite a conspiracy allegation.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/07/google_not_liab.htm">Goddard v. Google</a> (N.D. Cal. July 30, 2009).  This is a follow-on ruling to an important <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/12/lawsuit_over_go.htm">December 2008 ruling</a> in this case, which dismissed the plaintiff's complaints but gave the plaintiffs another chance.  The December 2008 ruling is one of the most interesting and important decisions interpreting Roommates.com.  In the July ruling, the judge again found that 230 insulates Google from liability due to allegedly fraudulent ads run through its network and granted a final dismissal.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/07/myspace_wins_an.htm">Doe II v. MySpace</a> (Cal. App. Ct. June 30, 2009).  MySpace isn't liable for users' sexual assaults on other users.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/06/roommatescom_in.htm">FTC v. Accusearch</a> (10th Cir. June 29, 2009).  The second of three federal appellate court rulings on 230(c)(1).  The defendant was an online retailer of illegal phone records.  The retailer claimed that the phone records came from third party suppliers and therefore 230 immunized the retailer from liability associated with the records.  The court echoed the Ninth Circuit's Roommates.com decision, effectively extending that case to the Tenth Circuit, and said that the retailer was responsible for selling the illicit phone records despite 230.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/06/antispyware_com.htm">Zango v. Kaspersky</a>  (9th Cir. June 25, 2009).  This is the only 2009 ruling addressing 47 USC 230(c)(2), the overshadowed and frequently overlooked sibling of 230(c)(1).  Despite the rarity of 230(c)(2) cases, this case could be fairly influential.  The Ninth Circuit held that 230(c)(2) protected an anti-spyware software vendor's decision to classify software as a threat.  If you missed it, you might want to take a look at my <a href="http://www.ericgoldman.org/Speeches/47usc230c2.pdf">presentation slides on 230(c)(2)</a>, which distill my deep look at 230(c)(2) this summer.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/06/47_usc_230_can.htm">Gibson v. Craigslist</a>  (S.D.N.Y. June 15, 2009).  Craigslist isn't liable for physical injury caused by a gun purchased via a Craigslist ad.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/06/doe_v_myspacesa.htm">Doe IX v. MySpace</a> (E.D. Tex. May 22, 2009).  MySpace isn't liable for users' sexual assaults on other users.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/05/ninth_circuit_m.htm">Barnes v. Yahoo</a> (9th Cir. May 7, 2009; <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/06/ninth_circuit_h.htm">amended opinion</a> June 22, 2009).  The third of three federal appellate court opinions on 230(c)(1).  The Ninth Circuit held that 230 preempted a claim against a service provider for negligently delaying the removal of user content (essentially, Zeran redux), but 230 did not preempt a promissory estoppel claim based on promises the service provider made to the person requesting takedown.  The initial Ninth Circuit opinion had two other unfortunate digressions: (1) it said that 230 was an affirmative defense that did not support a 12(b)(6) motion to dismiss, and (2) the opinion had ambiguous language implying that 230 preempted only state claims, not federal claims.  The amended opinion helpfully eliminated both digressions.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/04/230_doesnt_pree.htm">Atlantic Records v. Project Playlist</a>  (S.D.N.Y. March 25, 2009).  230 does not preempt a state IP claimin this case, a violation of state copyright law for pre-1972 sound recordings.  </p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/03/soccer_coach_sh.htm">Joyner v. Lazzareschi</a> (Cal. App. Ct. March 18, 2009).  A message board operator wasn't liable for user posts.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/03/union_isnt_liab.htm">Raggi v. Las Vegas Police</a> (D. Nev. March 10, 2009).  A union wasn't liable for messages that union members posted on the union-operated message board.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/03/ripoff_report_l.htm">Certain Approval Programs v. Xcentric Ventures</a> (D. Ariz. March 9, 2009).  230 did not bar amending a complaint to add a new cause of action when the plaintiff also adequately alleged that the Ripoff Report contributed to the creation and development of the content at issue. </p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/03/web_host_convic.htm">People v. Gourlay</a> (Mich. App. Ct. March 3, 2009).  This case involves the prosecution of a pornographic web host who also molested the child actor.  The web host asserted a 230 defense in trying to overturn the conviction for the charges related to pornography dissemination.  Although 230 can preempt state criminal prosecutions, and web hosts are protected by 230 for their ordinary web hosting activities, this web host actively participated in the site's development and therefore lost 230's protection.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/04/two_47_usc_230.htm">NPS v. StubHub</a>  (Mass. Super. Ct. Jan. 26, 2009).  In a long-running battle between the New England Patriots and season ticketholders who want to resell their tickets via StubHub, StubHub was denied summary judgment on 230 grounds.  The court cites Roommates.com in saying that StubHub may have contributed to illegal ticket scalping sufficient to potentially disqualify it for 230 protection.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/01/ripoff_report_r_1.htm">GW Equity v. Xcentric Ventures</a> (N.D. Tex. Jan. 9, 2009).  Ripoff Report is protected by 230 even though it offers pull-down menus and manipulates user-submitted reports.</p><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/case">case</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/case"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/case.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/court">court</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/court"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/court.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/defense">defense</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/defense"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/defense.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/liable">liable</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/liable"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/liable.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/web">web</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/web"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/web.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></content:encoded>

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			<description><![CDATA[<p>By Eric Goldman</p>

<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/24598932/Nemet-Chevrolet-v-ConsumerAffairs-com">Nemet Chevrolet Ltd. v. ConsumerAffairs.com, Inc.</a>, No. 08-2097 (4th Cir. Dec. 29, 2009)</p>

<p><b>Introduction</b></p>

<p>Citing 47 USC 230, today the Fourth Circuit upheld a 12(b)(6) dismissal of defamation and related claims against a consumer review website.  This case is noteworthy because the court rejected some common allegations that plaintiffs make to evade 230, so this case may help defendants get 12(b)(6) motions to dismiss more easily. </p>

<p>ConsumerAffairs.com is a consumer review website with a twist: it works in conjunction with a law firm that mines the submitted complaints for potential class action lawsuits.  In June 2008, I blogged about the <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/06/consumer_compla.htm">district court's 12(b)(6) dismissal of the case</a>.  </p>

<p><b>Development of the Reviews</b></p>

<p>Nemet tried two tactics in its complaint to draft around 230.  First, it alleged that ConsumerAffairs.com partially developed 20 reviews.  Nemet pled:</p>

<blockquote>Upon information and belief, Defendant participated in the preparation of this complaint by soliciting the complaint, steering the complaint into a specific category designed to attract attention by consumer class action lawyers, contacting the consumer to ask questions about the complaint and to help her draft or revise her complaint, and promising the consumer that she could obtain some financial recovery by joining a class action lawsuit. Defendant is therefore responsible, in whole or in part, for developing the substance and content of the false complaint . . . about the Plaintiffs.</blockquote>

<p>These allegations do not survive a 12(b)(6) motion to dismiss.</p>

<p>* the website "structure and design" argument fails, despite Nemet's attempt to invoke <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/04/roommatescom_de_1.htm">Roommates.com</a>, because ConsumerAffairs' structure was not illegal.  To me, the court's discussion reinforces that Roommates.com' real holding is If you don't encourage illegal content, or design your website to require users to input illegal content, you will be immune.  Chalk this case up as yet another citation of Roommates.com for the defense.</p>

<p>* Asking users questions about their posts does not qualify as development.</p>

<p>* The unsupported assertion that ConsumerAffairs edited posts did not pass the Iqbal standard.  Plus, as Zeran indicated, 230 protects editorial decisions, so the allegations needed to assert some editing beyond this protected zone.</p>

<p><b>Review Fabrication</b></p>

<p>Second, Nemet alleged that ConsumerAffairs fabricated 8 reviews.  Nemet pled:</p>

<blockquote>Because Plaintiffs cannot confirm that the [customer] complaint . . . was even created by a Nemet Motors Customer based on the date, model of car, and first name, Plaintiffs believe that the complaint. . . was fabricated by the Defendant for the purpose of attracting other consumer complaints. By authoring the complaint . . . the Defendant was therefore responsible for the substance and content of the complaint.</blockquote>

<p>This allegation has an obvious (and IMO embarrassing) logic flaw.  Even if Nemet can't use its records to validate the facts in a consumer review, ConsumerAffairs.com's fabrication of the post is only one of many possible explanations.  The court notes some other possible explanations: "the post could be anonymous, falsified by the consumer, or simply missed by Nemet."  (I would also add the possibility of weak recordkeeping by Nemet).  To try to get around this logical deficiency, Nemet marshals up some additional allegations:</p>

<blockquote>(1) that Nemet has an excellent professional reputation, (2) none of the consumer complaints at issue have been reported to or acted upon by the New York City Department of Consumer Affairs, (3) Consumeraffairs.com's sole source of income is advertising and this advertising is tied to its webpage content, and (4) some of the posts on Consumeraffairs.com's website appeared online after their listed creation date</blockquote>

<p>But all of these facts are non-sequiturs; none of them show that ConsumerAffairs fabricated the posts, and post-Iqbal these allegations are not enough to state a claim.  The dissent disagreed with this conclusion (about the alleged fabrication) and would have allowed those claims to proceed.</p>

<p><b>230 as an Immunity Redux</b></p>

<p>In FN 4, the court notes that the Seventh Circuit questioned if 230(c)(1) was just a definitional section.  Citing Zeran, which addressed this issue explicitly, the court says "Of whatever academic interest that distinction may be, our Circuit clearly views the   230 provision as an immunity:"  As a result, the court "aim[s] to resolve the question of   230 immunity at the earliest possible stage of the case because that immunity protects websites not only from 'ultimate liability,' but also from 'having to fight costly and protracted legal battles.'"  It looks like there could be a brewing catfight between circuits over whether 230(c)(1) is an immunity, an affirmative defense, a definitional section or something else.</p>

<p><b>Conclusion</b></p>

<p>Given that this court was bound by the Zeran precedent, it's perhaps not surprising that the court found 230 protection for a consumer review website.  Nevertheless, by rejecting another plaintiff's attempt to make hay from Roommates.com and rejecting weakly supported allegations of fabrication, this court gave defendants even more support to fend off claims that are, at their core, based on third party content.  </p>

<p>The updated census of Roommates.com citations:</p>

<p><i>Roommates.com Cited for Defense</i> (11 cases): <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/11/ripoff_report_w.htm">GW Equity v. Xcentric</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/09/cowebsite_opera.htm">Best Western v. Furber</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/12/lawsuit_over_go.htm">Goddard v. Google</a> (and <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/07/google_not_liab.htm">second ruling</a>) <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/03/soccer_coach_sh.htm">Joyner v. Lazzareschi</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/04/230_doesnt_pree.htm">Atlantic Records v. Project Playlist</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/05/ninth_circuit_m.htm">Barnes v. Yahoo</a> (note: although the case was a partial loss for the defendant, the Roommates.com discussion came in the defense-favorable part), <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/06/doe_v_myspacesa.htm">Doe IX v. MySpace</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/07/myspace_wins_an.htm">Doe II v. MySpace</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/10/craigslist_isnt.htm">Dart v. Craigslist</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/12/website_initial.htm">Shiamili v. Real Estate Group</a>, Nemet v. ConsumerAffairs</p>

<p><i>Roommates.com Cited for Plaintiff</i> (2 cases): <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/04/two_47_usc_230.htm">NPS v. StubHub</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/06/roommatescom_in.htm">FTC v. Accusearch</a></p><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/nemet">nemet</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/nemet"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/nemet.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/consumeraffairs">consumeraffairs</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/consumeraffairs"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/consumeraffairs.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/consumer">consumer</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/consumer"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/consumer.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/complaint">complaint</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/complaint"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/complaint.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/court">court</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/court"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/court.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Eric Goldman</p>

<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/24598932/Nemet-Chevrolet-v-ConsumerAffairs-com">Nemet Chevrolet Ltd. v. ConsumerAffairs.com, Inc.</a>, No. 08-2097 (4th Cir. Dec. 29, 2009)</p>

<p><b>Introduction</b></p>

<p>Citing 47 USC 230, today the Fourth Circuit upheld a 12(b)(6) dismissal of defamation and related claims against a consumer review website.  This case is noteworthy because the court rejected some common allegations that plaintiffs make to evade 230, so this case may help defendants get 12(b)(6) motions to dismiss more easily. </p>

<p>ConsumerAffairs.com is a consumer review website with a twist: it works in conjunction with a law firm that mines the submitted complaints for potential class action lawsuits.  In June 2008, I blogged about the <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/06/consumer_compla.htm">district court's 12(b)(6) dismissal of the case</a>.  </p>

<p><b>Development of the Reviews</b></p>

<p>Nemet tried two tactics in its complaint to draft around 230.  First, it alleged that ConsumerAffairs.com partially developed 20 reviews.  Nemet pled:</p>

<blockquote>Upon information and belief, Defendant participated in the preparation of this complaint by soliciting the complaint, steering the complaint into a specific category designed to attract attention by consumer class action lawyers, contacting the consumer to ask questions about the complaint and to help her draft or revise her complaint, and promising the consumer that she could obtain some financial recovery by joining a class action lawsuit. Defendant is therefore responsible, in whole or in part, for developing the substance and content of the false complaint . . . about the Plaintiffs.</blockquote>

<p>These allegations do not survive a 12(b)(6) motion to dismiss.</p>

<p>* the website "structure and design" argument fails, despite Nemet's attempt to invoke <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/04/roommatescom_de_1.htm">Roommates.com</a>, because ConsumerAffairs' structure was not illegal.  To me, the court's discussion reinforces that Roommates.com' real holding is If you don't encourage illegal content, or design your website to require users to input illegal content, you will be immune.  Chalk this case up as yet another citation of Roommates.com for the defense.</p>

<p>* Asking users questions about their posts does not qualify as development.</p>

<p>* The unsupported assertion that ConsumerAffairs edited posts did not pass the Iqbal standard.  Plus, as Zeran indicated, 230 protects editorial decisions, so the allegations needed to assert some editing beyond this protected zone.</p>

<p><b>Review Fabrication</b></p>

<p>Second, Nemet alleged that ConsumerAffairs fabricated 8 reviews.  Nemet pled:</p>

<blockquote>Because Plaintiffs cannot confirm that the [customer] complaint . . . was even created by a Nemet Motors Customer based on the date, model of car, and first name, Plaintiffs believe that the complaint. . . was fabricated by the Defendant for the purpose of attracting other consumer complaints. By authoring the complaint . . . the Defendant was therefore responsible for the substance and content of the complaint.</blockquote>

<p>This allegation has an obvious (and IMO embarrassing) logic flaw.  Even if Nemet can't use its records to validate the facts in a consumer review, ConsumerAffairs.com's fabrication of the post is only one of many possible explanations.  The court notes some other possible explanations: "the post could be anonymous, falsified by the consumer, or simply missed by Nemet."  (I would also add the possibility of weak recordkeeping by Nemet).  To try to get around this logical deficiency, Nemet marshals up some additional allegations:</p>

<blockquote>(1) that Nemet has an excellent professional reputation, (2) none of the consumer complaints at issue have been reported to or acted upon by the New York City Department of Consumer Affairs, (3) Consumeraffairs.com's sole source of income is advertising and this advertising is tied to its webpage content, and (4) some of the posts on Consumeraffairs.com's website appeared online after their listed creation date</blockquote>

<p>But all of these facts are non-sequiturs; none of them show that ConsumerAffairs fabricated the posts, and post-Iqbal these allegations are not enough to state a claim.  The dissent disagreed with this conclusion (about the alleged fabrication) and would have allowed those claims to proceed.</p>

<p><b>230 as an Immunity Redux</b></p>

<p>In FN 4, the court notes that the Seventh Circuit questioned if 230(c)(1) was just a definitional section.  Citing Zeran, which addressed this issue explicitly, the court says "Of whatever academic interest that distinction may be, our Circuit clearly views the   230 provision as an immunity:"  As a result, the court "aim[s] to resolve the question of   230 immunity at the earliest possible stage of the case because that immunity protects websites not only from 'ultimate liability,' but also from 'having to fight costly and protracted legal battles.'"  It looks like there could be a brewing catfight between circuits over whether 230(c)(1) is an immunity, an affirmative defense, a definitional section or something else.</p>

<p><b>Conclusion</b></p>

<p>Given that this court was bound by the Zeran precedent, it's perhaps not surprising that the court found 230 protection for a consumer review website.  Nevertheless, by rejecting another plaintiff's attempt to make hay from Roommates.com and rejecting weakly supported allegations of fabrication, this court gave defendants even more support to fend off claims that are, at their core, based on third party content.  </p>

<p>The updated census of Roommates.com citations:</p>

<p><i>Roommates.com Cited for Defense</i> (11 cases): <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/11/ripoff_report_w.htm">GW Equity v. Xcentric</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/09/cowebsite_opera.htm">Best Western v. Furber</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/12/lawsuit_over_go.htm">Goddard v. Google</a> (and <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/07/google_not_liab.htm">second ruling</a>) <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/03/soccer_coach_sh.htm">Joyner v. Lazzareschi</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/04/230_doesnt_pree.htm">Atlantic Records v. Project Playlist</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/05/ninth_circuit_m.htm">Barnes v. Yahoo</a> (note: although the case was a partial loss for the defendant, the Roommates.com discussion came in the defense-favorable part), <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/06/doe_v_myspacesa.htm">Doe IX v. MySpace</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/07/myspace_wins_an.htm">Doe II v. MySpace</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/10/craigslist_isnt.htm">Dart v. Craigslist</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/12/website_initial.htm">Shiamili v. Real Estate Group</a>, Nemet v. ConsumerAffairs</p>

<p><i>Roommates.com Cited for Plaintiff</i> (2 cases): <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/04/two_47_usc_230.htm">NPS v. StubHub</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/06/roommatescom_in.htm">FTC v. Accusearch</a></p><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/nemet">nemet</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/nemet"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/nemet.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/consumeraffairs">consumeraffairs</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/consumeraffairs"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/consumeraffairs.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/consumer">consumer</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/consumer"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/consumer.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/complaint">complaint</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/complaint"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/complaint.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/court">court</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/court"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/court.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></content:encoded>

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<p><a href="http://pub.bna.com/eclr/dartvcraigslist.pdf">Dart v. Craigslist, Inc.</a>, 09 C 1385 (N.D. Ill. Oct. 20, 2009)</p>

<p>Yesterday, Judge John F. Grady of the Northern District of Illinois federal court dismissed Cook County Sheriff Dart's lawsuit against Craigslist for user-posted advertisements in Craigslist's erotic services/adult services category on 47 USC 230 grounds.  This is hardly surprising, as <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/03/cook_county_she.htm">I wrote in March</a> that "this lawsuit is almost certainly preempted by 47 USC 230."  However, it was nice to see such a clean and decisive opinion--and a little ironic, as our law enforcement officials, who are supposed to enforce the laws rather than bypass them, got schooled in the limits of their legal authority.</p>

<p>With respect to the 230 analysis, the court characterizes Sheriff Dart's claims as alleging that Craigslist negligently published the user-supplied ads.  The court says that the Seventh Circuit implicitly said that 230 preempted such claims in the <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/03/craigslist_gets.htm">2008 CLC v. Craigslist case</a>.  To get around this, Sheriff Dart tried a <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/04/roommatescom_de_1.htm">Roommates.com styled attack</a>, arguing that Craigslist induced the users' advertisements by creating an erotic/adult services category and letting users do keyword searches.  These arguments go nowhere (making this yet another case where Roommates.com is cited for the defense).  An adult services category can legitimately contain postings for legal services, and the keyword search functionality was agnostic about the illegality of the search and therefore a "neutral tool" (whatever that meant from Roommates.com).</p>

<p>Two other interesting doctrinal notes from the opinion:</p>

<p>* In FN 6, the court reiterates that 230 preempts a civil action to enforce a federal criminal statute.  See <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2007/01/court_reiterate.htm">Doe v. Bates</a>.</p>

<p>* the court rejects arguments that Craigslist "arranges" meetings for prostitution, "directs" people to prostitution or "provides" contact info for prostitutes because, in all three cases, the user-supplied ad (if anything) satisfies those verbs. Similarly, Craigslist's role in "facilitating," "assisting" or "aiding and abetting" these user activities is governed by 230.  I believe this is consistent with <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/10/a_fuller_defens.htm">my view that 230 should preempt any claim that one party "endorses" third party online content</a>. </p>

<p>Given some ambiguous language floating in Seventh Circuit 230 jurisprudence from the CLC v. Craigslist case and the old Doe v. GTE case, it wouldn't surprise me if Sheriff Dart tried an appeal.  However, this opinion was solidly reasoned and completely consistent with that jurisprudence, so I wouldn't expect a different result on appeal.</p><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/craigslist">craigslist</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/craigslist"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/craigslist.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/dart">dart</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/dart"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/dart.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/services">services</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/services"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/services.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/court">court</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/court"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/court.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/user">user</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/user"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/user.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Eric Goldman</p>

<p><a href="http://pub.bna.com/eclr/dartvcraigslist.pdf">Dart v. Craigslist, Inc.</a>, 09 C 1385 (N.D. Ill. Oct. 20, 2009)</p>

<p>Yesterday, Judge John F. Grady of the Northern District of Illinois federal court dismissed Cook County Sheriff Dart's lawsuit against Craigslist for user-posted advertisements in Craigslist's erotic services/adult services category on 47 USC 230 grounds.  This is hardly surprising, as <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/03/cook_county_she.htm">I wrote in March</a> that "this lawsuit is almost certainly preempted by 47 USC 230."  However, it was nice to see such a clean and decisive opinion--and a little ironic, as our law enforcement officials, who are supposed to enforce the laws rather than bypass them, got schooled in the limits of their legal authority.</p>

<p>With respect to the 230 analysis, the court characterizes Sheriff Dart's claims as alleging that Craigslist negligently published the user-supplied ads.  The court says that the Seventh Circuit implicitly said that 230 preempted such claims in the <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/03/craigslist_gets.htm">2008 CLC v. Craigslist case</a>.  To get around this, Sheriff Dart tried a <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/04/roommatescom_de_1.htm">Roommates.com styled attack</a>, arguing that Craigslist induced the users' advertisements by creating an erotic/adult services category and letting users do keyword searches.  These arguments go nowhere (making this yet another case where Roommates.com is cited for the defense).  An adult services category can legitimately contain postings for legal services, and the keyword search functionality was agnostic about the illegality of the search and therefore a "neutral tool" (whatever that meant from Roommates.com).</p>

<p>Two other interesting doctrinal notes from the opinion:</p>

<p>* In FN 6, the court reiterates that 230 preempts a civil action to enforce a federal criminal statute.  See <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2007/01/court_reiterate.htm">Doe v. Bates</a>.</p>

<p>* the court rejects arguments that Craigslist "arranges" meetings for prostitution, "directs" people to prostitution or "provides" contact info for prostitutes because, in all three cases, the user-supplied ad (if anything) satisfies those verbs. Similarly, Craigslist's role in "facilitating," "assisting" or "aiding and abetting" these user activities is governed by 230.  I believe this is consistent with <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/10/a_fuller_defens.htm">my view that 230 should preempt any claim that one party "endorses" third party online content</a>. </p>

<p>Given some ambiguous language floating in Seventh Circuit 230 jurisprudence from the CLC v. Craigslist case and the old Doe v. GTE case, it wouldn't surprise me if Sheriff Dart tried an appeal.  However, this opinion was solidly reasoned and completely consistent with that jurisprudence, so I wouldn't expect a different result on appeal.</p><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/craigslist">craigslist</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/craigslist"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/craigslist.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/dart">dart</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/dart"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/dart.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/services">services</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/services"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/services.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/court">court</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/court"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/court.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/user">user</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/user"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/user.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></content:encoded>

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			<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.scripting.com/stories/2009/06/30/whatOfWoodsteinInTheReboot.html"><img src="http://images.scripting.com/archiveScriptingCom/2009/07/19/bonehead.gif" width="125" height="165" border="0" align="right" hspace="15" vspace="5" alt="A picture named bonehead.gif"></a>I don't think I've ever written about <a href="http://www.craigslist.org/about/sites">Craigslist</a> here. <br><br>
Probably because I don't spend much time thinking about it, or worrying about it. But I know that some people do, for example Terry Gross, the host of NPR's Fresh Air. It comes up when people talk about the Internet destroying things that matter, like the classified ads in newspapers. At one point in an <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106347439">interview</a> with Wired editor Chris Anderson she asks, in a bewildered way, what happened. She was saying it was a shame that Craigslist comes along and does what the newspapers were doing, for a fraction of the cost, employing a small fraction of the people who used to support the classified ads in newspapers.<br><br>
I'm not surprised, and if you think about it, it's very predictable. It's called productivity, and it's what new technology is <i>supposed</i> to do. We used to employ 20 percent of the workforce in agriculture, now it's just 2 percent. That's because of technology. You may say it's bad, but there's also less hunger in the US now than there was then. And there probably are far more classified ads today, now that they're mostly free, than there were when they cost money. <br><br>
It's productivity. It basically a good thing. And as long as we invest in progress it's inevitable.<br><br>
<a href="http://mp3.morningcoffeenotes.com/freshAirChrisAnderson.mp3">Here's an MP3</a> of the segment quoted above.<br><br><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/ads">ads</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/ads"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/ads.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/newspapers">newspapers</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/newspapers"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/newspapers.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/craigslist">craigslist</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/craigslist"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/craigslist.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/classified">classified</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/classified"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/classified.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/progress">progress</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/progress"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/progress.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.scripting.com/stories/2009/06/30/whatOfWoodsteinInTheReboot.html"><img src="http://images.scripting.com/archiveScriptingCom/2009/07/19/bonehead.gif" width="125" height="165" border="0" align="right" hspace="15" vspace="5" alt="A picture named bonehead.gif"></a>I don't think I've ever written about <a href="http://www.craigslist.org/about/sites">Craigslist</a> here. <br><br>
Probably because I don't spend much time thinking about it, or worrying about it. But I know that some people do, for example Terry Gross, the host of NPR's Fresh Air. It comes up when people talk about the Internet destroying things that matter, like the classified ads in newspapers. At one point in an <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106347439">interview</a> with Wired editor Chris Anderson she asks, in a bewildered way, what happened. She was saying it was a shame that Craigslist comes along and does what the newspapers were doing, for a fraction of the cost, employing a small fraction of the people who used to support the classified ads in newspapers.<br><br>
I'm not surprised, and if you think about it, it's very predictable. It's called productivity, and it's what new technology is <i>supposed</i> to do. We used to employ 20 percent of the workforce in agriculture, now it's just 2 percent. That's because of technology. You may say it's bad, but there's also less hunger in the US now than there was then. And there probably are far more classified ads today, now that they're mostly free, than there were when they cost money. <br><br>
It's productivity. It basically a good thing. And as long as we invest in progress it's inevitable.<br><br>
<a href="http://mp3.morningcoffeenotes.com/freshAirChrisAnderson.mp3">Here's an MP3</a> of the segment quoted above.<br><br><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/ads">ads</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/ads"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/ads.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/newspapers">newspapers</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/newspapers"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/newspapers.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/craigslist">craigslist</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/craigslist"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/craigslist.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/classified">classified</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/classified"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/classified.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/progress">progress</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/progress"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/progress.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></content:encoded>

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			<description><![CDATA[I have to admit that it's been really kind of sad to watch journalists with little understanding of economics or business flail around blaming the likes of Craigslist and Google (especially Google) for their own failure in building better business models.  The latest is a well-written, but poorly thought-out and argued, piece by Peter Osnos, the Vice-Chairman of the Columbia Journalism Review, suggesting reasons why <a href="http://www.cjr.org/feature/whats_a_fair_share_in_the_age.php?page=all">Google needs to pay up its "fair share" to newspapers</a>.  There are numerous problems with the logic in the piece, but they can be summarized in two basic camps: a misunderstanding of the internet and a misunderstanding of economics.
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The great thing, by the way, is that the comments on the article highlight pretty much every mistake that Osnos makes -- and, of course, as is oh-so-typical in these situations, Osnos does nothing at all to engage or respond to the comments that call out his mistakes.  You want to know why newspapers are failing?  It's not because of Google, it's because of this viewpoint that some journalists still hold that they're the masters of the truth, handing it out from on high, wanting nothing at all to do with the riff raff in the comments.
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So, what's wrong specifically with the article?  Well, he uses as his basis the idea that cable companies (and their subscribers, really) pay TV networks to be carried in cable packages, and suggests that Google should be doing the same thing -- paying newspapers as if they were networks.  Of course, there are a few problems there.  Television is a <i>broadcast medium</i> with a limit on what can be provided.  The economics are entirely different than a <i>communications medium</i> with unlimited "space" for content.  Suggesting the two are the same is simply wrong.  The economics are entirely different.  In one case, you have significant scarcities in terms of what gets "offered."  That's not the case with the internet.  Ignoring that destroys Osnos' entire argument.
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Even more to the point, as one of the commenters to Osnos, Kimota, notes: "It's interesting that cable television was held up as a good example of how to extract subscription fees for content. The American Customer Satisfaction Index from the University of Michigan said in 2007 that cable and satellite TV suffered 'the lowest level of customer satisfaction among all industries covered.'"  When your idea of how to save the newspaper business is to take a model mostly beloved by consumers and ask it to mimic a model almost universally hated... that's a problem, right?
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The second big problem with Osnos' analysis is that he doesn't appear to understand how Google makes its money.  He simply looks at the fact that it's making a ton of money, while newspapers are not, and assumes that Google's actions draw in the money that <i>should</i> have gone to newspapers (hence the "unfairness").  But as Scott Rosenberg notes in the comments again, this is a fundamental misunderstanding of how Google makes its money, which has little to nothing to do with news, but in targeted advertisements on <i>transactional</i> searches (searches where people are looking to buy something):
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Google makes its money mostly from targeted advertising on product searches and other narrow, directed searches. The advertising on news-related searches is not nearly as valuable. Google could remove all newspapers and journalism content from its Web search catalog tomorrow and lose very little of its revenue. The links to news it provides are valuable to its users but not terribly valuable to its advertisers.
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Finally, Osnos makes another big mistake, common among newspaper folks, that whoever breaks the news is obviously the most valuable source.  Yet, as we were just discussing, being first doesn't always mean that you have the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090714/0138435536.shtml">most useful</a> information.  Related to this, Osnos complains specifically about how <i>Sports Illustrated</i> broke a story, but Google News pointed more people to the Huffington Post coverage of that particular story, stating: 
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Most galling was that The Huffington Post's use of an Associated Press version of SI's report was initially tops on Google, which meant that it, and not SI.com, tended to be the place readers clicking through to get the gist of the breaking scandal would land.... Why did The Huffington Post come up ahead of SI.com? Because, even Google insiders concede, Huffington is effective at implementing search optimization techniques, which means that its manipulation of keywords, search terms, and the dynamics of Web protocol give it an advantage over others scrambling to be the place readers are sent by search engines. What angered the people at Sports Illustrated and Time Inc. is that Google, acting as traffic conductor, seemed unmoved by their grievance over what had happened to their ownership of the story. An SI editor quoted to me Time Inc's editor-in-chief, John Huey, noting crisply that, "talking to Google is like trying to talk to a television."
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This, of course, is a gross distortion of reality, and implies totally incorrectly that somehow the Huffington Post has some power over Google that SI.com <i>could not replicate</i>.  The fact that Sports Illustrated and other publications have made <i>bad decisions</i> in optimizing their content isn't <i>Google's fault</i>.  It's their own fault.  Here, let me put this in terms that old "paper" folks might get: If more people go to my store than your store because I put a better ad in the Yellow pages, it's not the fault of the Yellow pages publisher.  It's your fault for having a crappy ad.  By doing a better job optimizing its content, the Huffington Post effectively better "advertised" itself to Google.
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Of course, old school publications like Sports Illustrated could just as easily do the same thing themselves, but they haven't.  On top of that, they could offer more useful features and services that attract more people such that they specifically seek out SI's coverage.  But, instead, they treat the community the same way Osnos seems to: the riff raff can comment, but they aren't a part of the "real conversation" that occurs outside of the community.
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Osnos wants fairness, but the system is amazingly fair.  Much more fair than it ever was in the past, in fact.  The problem isn't about "fairness."  It's about Osnos being upset that in a level playing field pretty much everyone <i>but</i> the newspapers have figured out how to play the game better.  What's <i>fair</i> is that the newspapers haven't been able to adjust and their revenue and readership is reflecting that.<br><br><a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20090716/0346265569.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20090716/0346265569.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20090716/0346265569&amp;op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br>
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The great thing, by the way, is that the comments on the article highlight pretty much every mistake that Osnos makes -- and, of course, as is oh-so-typical in these situations, Osnos does nothing at all to engage or respond to the comments that call out his mistakes.  You want to know why newspapers are failing?  It's not because of Google, it's because of this viewpoint that some journalists still hold that they're the masters of the truth, handing it out from on high, wanting nothing at all to do with the riff raff in the comments.
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So, what's wrong specifically with the article?  Well, he uses as his basis the idea that cable companies (and their subscribers, really) pay TV networks to be carried in cable packages, and suggests that Google should be doing the same thing -- paying newspapers as if they were networks.  Of course, there are a few problems there.  Television is a <i>broadcast medium</i> with a limit on what can be provided.  The economics are entirely different than a <i>communications medium</i> with unlimited "space" for content.  Suggesting the two are the same is simply wrong.  The economics are entirely different.  In one case, you have significant scarcities in terms of what gets "offered."  That's not the case with the internet.  Ignoring that destroys Osnos' entire argument.
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Even more to the point, as one of the commenters to Osnos, Kimota, notes: "It's interesting that cable television was held up as a good example of how to extract subscription fees for content. The American Customer Satisfaction Index from the University of Michigan said in 2007 that cable and satellite TV suffered 'the lowest level of customer satisfaction among all industries covered.'"  When your idea of how to save the newspaper business is to take a model mostly beloved by consumers and ask it to mimic a model almost universally hated... that's a problem, right?
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The second big problem with Osnos' analysis is that he doesn't appear to understand how Google makes its money.  He simply looks at the fact that it's making a ton of money, while newspapers are not, and assumes that Google's actions draw in the money that <i>should</i> have gone to newspapers (hence the "unfairness").  But as Scott Rosenberg notes in the comments again, this is a fundamental misunderstanding of how Google makes its money, which has little to nothing to do with news, but in targeted advertisements on <i>transactional</i> searches (searches where people are looking to buy something):
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Google makes its money mostly from targeted advertising on product searches and other narrow, directed searches. The advertising on news-related searches is not nearly as valuable. Google could remove all newspapers and journalism content from its Web search catalog tomorrow and lose very little of its revenue. The links to news it provides are valuable to its users but not terribly valuable to its advertisers.
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Finally, Osnos makes another big mistake, common among newspaper folks, that whoever breaks the news is obviously the most valuable source.  Yet, as we were just discussing, being first doesn't always mean that you have the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090714/0138435536.shtml">most useful</a> information.  Related to this, Osnos complains specifically about how <i>Sports Illustrated</i> broke a story, but Google News pointed more people to the Huffington Post coverage of that particular story, stating: 
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Most galling was that The Huffington Post's use of an Associated Press version of SI's report was initially tops on Google, which meant that it, and not SI.com, tended to be the place readers clicking through to get the gist of the breaking scandal would land.... Why did The Huffington Post come up ahead of SI.com? Because, even Google insiders concede, Huffington is effective at implementing search optimization techniques, which means that its manipulation of keywords, search terms, and the dynamics of Web protocol give it an advantage over others scrambling to be the place readers are sent by search engines. What angered the people at Sports Illustrated and Time Inc. is that Google, acting as traffic conductor, seemed unmoved by their grievance over what had happened to their ownership of the story. An SI editor quoted to me Time Inc's editor-in-chief, John Huey, noting crisply that, "talking to Google is like trying to talk to a television."
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This, of course, is a gross distortion of reality, and implies totally incorrectly that somehow the Huffington Post has some power over Google that SI.com <i>could not replicate</i>.  The fact that Sports Illustrated and other publications have made <i>bad decisions</i> in optimizing their content isn't <i>Google's fault</i>.  It's their own fault.  Here, let me put this in terms that old "paper" folks might get: If more people go to my store than your store because I put a better ad in the Yellow pages, it's not the fault of the Yellow pages publisher.  It's your fault for having a crappy ad.  By doing a better job optimizing its content, the Huffington Post effectively better "advertised" itself to Google.
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Of course, old school publications like Sports Illustrated could just as easily do the same thing themselves, but they haven't.  On top of that, they could offer more useful features and services that attract more people such that they specifically seek out SI's coverage.  But, instead, they treat the community the same way Osnos seems to: the riff raff can comment, but they aren't a part of the "real conversation" that occurs outside of the community.
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Osnos wants fairness, but the system is amazingly fair.  Much more fair than it ever was in the past, in fact.  The problem isn't about "fairness."  It's about Osnos being upset that in a level playing field pretty much everyone <i>but</i> the newspapers have figured out how to play the game better.  What's <i>fair</i> is that the newspapers haven't been able to adjust and their revenue and readership is reflecting that.<br><br><a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20090716/0346265569.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20090716/0346265569.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20090716/0346265569&amp;op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br>
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<p><a href="http://claranet.scu.edu/eres/documentview.aspx?associd=33664">Gibson v. Craigslist</a>, 2009 WL 1704355 (SDNY June 15, 2009).  The <a href="http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/gibson-v-craigslist">CMLP page</a>.  The <a href="http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/new-york/nysdce/1:2008cv07735/331721/">Justia page</a>.</p>

<p>In my lengthy deconstruction of the <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/05/ninth_circuit_m.htm">Barnes v. Yahoo case</a>, I criticized the Ninth Circuit for concluding that 47 USC 230 was an affirmative defense (and thus could not support a 12b6 motion to dismiss) without proper briefing or analysis. First, this was sloppy work by the court. Second, the elimination of a 12b6 possibility for the defendants creates a real risk that defendants will be exposed to expensive and time-consuming discovery to eliminate plainly meritless cases. Yahoo and a group of amici have asked the Ninth Circuit to <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/05/yahoo_and_amici.htm">reconsider this aspect of the ruling</a>, and I hope they do so.</p>

<p>Meanwhile, today's case does a competent job reviewing whether or not 47 USC 230 can support a 12b6 motion to dismiss. Unlike the Ninth Circuit, it actually cites and discusses the numerous cases in the area although, remarkably, it does not cite or address the Barnes v. Yahoo case! The court reaches the sensible positions that (1) 47 USC 230 does support a 12b6 motion, (2) as a result, the plaintiff was not entitled to discovery, and (3) the case should be dismissed. For more discussion on why 47 USC 230 supports a 12b6, see Paul Levy's <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/05/yahoo_and_amici.htm">excellent brief</a>.</p>

<p>Substantively, today's lawsuit is brought by a shooting victim who claims that the shooter bought the gun via Craigslist. The complaint argues that Craigslist had a duty to prevent the sale of guns to future criminals and therefore Craigslist breached the duty. This argument is similar to the Doe v. MySpace cases (<a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/05/myspace_gets_23.htm">1</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/06/doe_v_myspacesa.htm">2</a>) in which the plaintiffs argued that MySpace had a duty to police its website "premises" to prevent online communications that lead to offline crimes. The plaintiff's argument here fares no better here than it did in the MySpace cases. 47 USC 230 precludes the imposition of liability for any breach of duty by failing to police its users' communications (putting aside the also-relevant inquiry of whether Craigslist could have any duty that would have prevented this offline tragedy). The plaintiff tries to get around 230 by arguing it's just trying to hold Craigslist accountable as a "business" rather than as a speaker or publisher of third party content, but the court rejects this goofy argument as "unpersuasive."</p>

<p>More on the case from <a href="http://volokh.com/posts/1245256918.shtml">Eugene Volokh</a>.</p><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/craigslist">craigslist</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/craigslist"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/craigslist.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/b">b</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/b"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/b.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/usc">usc</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/usc"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/usc.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/case">case</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/case"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/case.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/duty">duty</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/duty"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/duty.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Eric Goldman</p>

<p><a href="http://claranet.scu.edu/eres/documentview.aspx?associd=33664">Gibson v. Craigslist</a>, 2009 WL 1704355 (SDNY June 15, 2009).  The <a href="http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/gibson-v-craigslist">CMLP page</a>.  The <a href="http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/new-york/nysdce/1:2008cv07735/331721/">Justia page</a>.</p>

<p>In my lengthy deconstruction of the <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/05/ninth_circuit_m.htm">Barnes v. Yahoo case</a>, I criticized the Ninth Circuit for concluding that 47 USC 230 was an affirmative defense (and thus could not support a 12b6 motion to dismiss) without proper briefing or analysis. First, this was sloppy work by the court. Second, the elimination of a 12b6 possibility for the defendants creates a real risk that defendants will be exposed to expensive and time-consuming discovery to eliminate plainly meritless cases. Yahoo and a group of amici have asked the Ninth Circuit to <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/05/yahoo_and_amici.htm">reconsider this aspect of the ruling</a>, and I hope they do so.</p>

<p>Meanwhile, today's case does a competent job reviewing whether or not 47 USC 230 can support a 12b6 motion to dismiss. Unlike the Ninth Circuit, it actually cites and discusses the numerous cases in the area although, remarkably, it does not cite or address the Barnes v. Yahoo case! The court reaches the sensible positions that (1) 47 USC 230 does support a 12b6 motion, (2) as a result, the plaintiff was not entitled to discovery, and (3) the case should be dismissed. For more discussion on why 47 USC 230 supports a 12b6, see Paul Levy's <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/05/yahoo_and_amici.htm">excellent brief</a>.</p>

<p>Substantively, today's lawsuit is brought by a shooting victim who claims that the shooter bought the gun via Craigslist. The complaint argues that Craigslist had a duty to prevent the sale of guns to future criminals and therefore Craigslist breached the duty. This argument is similar to the Doe v. MySpace cases (<a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/05/myspace_gets_23.htm">1</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/06/doe_v_myspacesa.htm">2</a>) in which the plaintiffs argued that MySpace had a duty to police its website "premises" to prevent online communications that lead to offline crimes. The plaintiff's argument here fares no better here than it did in the MySpace cases. 47 USC 230 precludes the imposition of liability for any breach of duty by failing to police its users' communications (putting aside the also-relevant inquiry of whether Craigslist could have any duty that would have prevented this offline tragedy). The plaintiff tries to get around 230 by arguing it's just trying to hold Craigslist accountable as a "business" rather than as a speaker or publisher of third party content, but the court rejects this goofy argument as "unpersuasive."</p>

<p>More on the case from <a href="http://volokh.com/posts/1245256918.shtml">Eugene Volokh</a>.</p><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/craigslist">craigslist</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/craigslist"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/craigslist.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/b">b</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/b"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/b.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/usc">usc</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/usc"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/usc.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/case">case</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/case"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/case.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/duty">duty</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/duty"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/duty.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></content:encoded>

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			<description><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://cache0.techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/attack-1.jpg" alt="">And you thought the <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/22/mcmasters-final-humiliation-federal-smack-down/">South Carolina v. Craigslist</a> story was dead.</p>
<p>If anything sucks more than being the target of an ambitious but delusional gubernatorial candidate who has suddenly developed a bit of a fetish for prostitution, it's being ignored by that candidate. As far as <a href="http://www.crunchbase.com/company/village-voice-media">Village Voice</a> sees the world, Craigslist just got a bunch of free press. And they want their share.</p>
<p>When Craigslist management was facing a criminal investigation for listings on the site they did the smart thing. They talked about the law, and they pointed out that the real smut was on other sites that were being ignored by the South Carolina Attorney General. If you <a href="http://blog.craigslist.org/2009/05/turning-a-blind-eye/">really want</a> hard core porn and prostitution, Craigslist CEO<a href="http://www.crunchbase.com/person/jim-buckmaster"> Jim Buckmaster</a> pointed out, check out Village Voice's <a href="http://www.backpage.com">BackPage.com</a>.</p>
<p>That's all body fluids under the bridge now, of course, since a federal judge smacked down McMaster and <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/22/mcmasters-final-humiliation-federal-smack-down/">forbid him</a> from stalking Craigslist management.</p>
<p>But Village Voice is still smarting from those Buckmaster links in that blog post. Yesterday they issued a very official <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Village-Voice-Media-to-prnews-15380438.html?.v=1">press release</a> titled <em>Village Voice Media to Craigslist CEO Buckmaster: Calm Down, Back Off; There is Nothing Wrong With a Little Competition.</em></p>
<p>In an email, Village Voice's PR firm accuses Buckmaster of leveraging the legal bind he's in to damage Craigslist's competition.</p>
<p>The real reason for the press release and press outreach, of course, is to get a little bit of the spotlight pointed to backpages, too. Because their official story doesn't make sense.</p>
<p>Backpages has adult ads, lots and lots of them, and they're proud of it: We will continue to exercise our right to accept legal adult postings, they say. All Buckmaster did was link to a whole bunch of them. And since backpages <a href="http://www.google.com/trends?q=backpage.com%2C+craigslist.com%2C+villagevoice.com&amp;ctab=0&amp;geo=all&amp;date=all&amp;sort=0">desperately needs the traffic</a>, what they really should be doing is thanking Craigslist, not attacking them.</p>
<p>What we learned today: If you really want to pay for sex, backpages is the place to go. </p>
<p>Full press release is below:</p>
<p><strong>Village Voice Media to Craigslist CEO Buckmaster: Calm Down, Back Off; There is Nothing Wrong With a Little Competition</strong></p>
<p>PHOENIX, May 29 /PRNewswire/  Last Friday, Jim Buckmaster, CEO of Craigslist, fired a deliberate, unnecessary and wholly inaccurate shot across the bow of Village Voice Media and backpage.com, our online classified advertising property. Given the serious nature of what Buckmaster inferred in his post about Village Voice Media newspapers and backpage.com, we can't sit on our hands and be silent.</p>
<p>In the original blog post, which was later submarine edited to reword and soften some of the attacks towards Village Voice Media, Buckmaster complained that politicians are attacking Craigslist but not Village Voice Media and other media outlets because they have a need for positive stories and campaign endorsements from those very same newspapers.</p>
<p>Is it possible that writing stories critical of Craigslist's (relatively tame) adult service' section is more career-friendly than attacking their own employer (or journalistic media brethren) for operating a (far more graphic) adult service' section of their own?</p>
<p>Buckmaster and Craigslist are in a tough, and in many ways, frightening situation - they have a number of moralistic state Attorneys General threatening them over their adult ads, and a raft of bad press following the terrible tragedy in Boston that the company is admittedly in no way responsible for. But, the manner in which Buckmaster is responding to this pressure - by disingenuously lashing out at competitors and caving to political pressure - is inexcusable, and displays a remarkable lack of sound judgment.</p>
<p>In 2002, Village Voice Media recognized the forces that were changing the classified advertising market and created backpage.com to answer that challenge. We've put a lot of work into making it the No. 2 free classifieds site in U.S. We're fine with being No. 2, proud in fact. Buckmaster, apparently, is not. Instead of working with his competitors to find a way to solve, or at least mitigate issues surrounding adult ads - the shortcomings of automatic content filters is something we are all trying to fix - Buckmaster simply attempted to take the competition down with him. And, his methods leave much to be desired.</p>
<p>First off, our newspapers don't endorse politicians and rarely have anything nice to say about them, so to say that politicians aren't going after Village Voice Media because they need our endorsement isn't viable. Secondly, Buckmaster is only complaining because a competitor is challenging his economic advantage in the free classified arena - which he built in part on adult ads - and has made him a very wealthy man. His talk of building community and serving his users rings hollow. It now appears that, as is so often the case with New Age entrepreneurs, it's all about the money.</p>
<p>We will continue to exercise our right to accept legal adult postings from our users and concentrate on growing backpage.com. We are aggressively building additional technical solutions as well as increasing our manual site inspections to improve efficiency of removing content that is illegal or otherwise violates our Terms of Use.</p>
<p>About Village Voice Media</p>
<p>Village Voice Media is a collection of 15 weekly newspapers and daily Web sites, including New York's Village Voice, the LA Weekly, Denver's Westword and the Phoenix New Times. Online, in print, and on mobile devices, VVM's products combine music, food and events coverage with gritty, hard-hitting journalism to create the most powerful city guides in each market. While the focus of the brand is local, its free classifieds site backpage.com, partnership with social recommendation engine LikeMe.net and national sales force, Voice Media Group, extend its reach on a national level.</p>
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<p>If anything sucks more than being the target of an ambitious but delusional gubernatorial candidate who has suddenly developed a bit of a fetish for prostitution, it's being ignored by that candidate. As far as <a href="http://www.crunchbase.com/company/village-voice-media">Village Voice</a> sees the world, Craigslist just got a bunch of free press. And they want their share.</p>
<p>When Craigslist management was facing a criminal investigation for listings on the site they did the smart thing. They talked about the law, and they pointed out that the real smut was on other sites that were being ignored by the South Carolina Attorney General. If you <a href="http://blog.craigslist.org/2009/05/turning-a-blind-eye/">really want</a> hard core porn and prostitution, Craigslist CEO<a href="http://www.crunchbase.com/person/jim-buckmaster"> Jim Buckmaster</a> pointed out, check out Village Voice's <a href="http://www.backpage.com">BackPage.com</a>.</p>
<p>That's all body fluids under the bridge now, of course, since a federal judge smacked down McMaster and <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/22/mcmasters-final-humiliation-federal-smack-down/">forbid him</a> from stalking Craigslist management.</p>
<p>But Village Voice is still smarting from those Buckmaster links in that blog post. Yesterday they issued a very official <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Village-Voice-Media-to-prnews-15380438.html?.v=1">press release</a> titled <em>Village Voice Media to Craigslist CEO Buckmaster: Calm Down, Back Off; There is Nothing Wrong With a Little Competition.</em></p>
<p>In an email, Village Voice's PR firm accuses Buckmaster of leveraging the legal bind he's in to damage Craigslist's competition.</p>
<p>The real reason for the press release and press outreach, of course, is to get a little bit of the spotlight pointed to backpages, too. Because their official story doesn't make sense.</p>
<p>Backpages has adult ads, lots and lots of them, and they're proud of it: We will continue to exercise our right to accept legal adult postings, they say. All Buckmaster did was link to a whole bunch of them. And since backpages <a href="http://www.google.com/trends?q=backpage.com%2C+craigslist.com%2C+villagevoice.com&amp;ctab=0&amp;geo=all&amp;date=all&amp;sort=0">desperately needs the traffic</a>, what they really should be doing is thanking Craigslist, not attacking them.</p>
<p>What we learned today: If you really want to pay for sex, backpages is the place to go. </p>
<p>Full press release is below:</p>
<p><strong>Village Voice Media to Craigslist CEO Buckmaster: Calm Down, Back Off; There is Nothing Wrong With a Little Competition</strong></p>
<p>PHOENIX, May 29 /PRNewswire/  Last Friday, Jim Buckmaster, CEO of Craigslist, fired a deliberate, unnecessary and wholly inaccurate shot across the bow of Village Voice Media and backpage.com, our online classified advertising property. Given the serious nature of what Buckmaster inferred in his post about Village Voice Media newspapers and backpage.com, we can't sit on our hands and be silent.</p>
<p>In the original blog post, which was later submarine edited to reword and soften some of the attacks towards Village Voice Media, Buckmaster complained that politicians are attacking Craigslist but not Village Voice Media and other media outlets because they have a need for positive stories and campaign endorsements from those very same newspapers.</p>
<p>Is it possible that writing stories critical of Craigslist's (relatively tame) adult service' section is more career-friendly than attacking their own employer (or journalistic media brethren) for operating a (far more graphic) adult service' section of their own?</p>
<p>Buckmaster and Craigslist are in a tough, and in many ways, frightening situation - they have a number of moralistic state Attorneys General threatening them over their adult ads, and a raft of bad press following the terrible tragedy in Boston that the company is admittedly in no way responsible for. But, the manner in which Buckmaster is responding to this pressure - by disingenuously lashing out at competitors and caving to political pressure - is inexcusable, and displays a remarkable lack of sound judgment.</p>
<p>In 2002, Village Voice Media recognized the forces that were changing the classified advertising market and created backpage.com to answer that challenge. We've put a lot of work into making it the No. 2 free classifieds site in U.S. We're fine with being No. 2, proud in fact. Buckmaster, apparently, is not. Instead of working with his competitors to find a way to solve, or at least mitigate issues surrounding adult ads - the shortcomings of automatic content filters is something we are all trying to fix - Buckmaster simply attempted to take the competition down with him. And, his methods leave much to be desired.</p>
<p>First off, our newspapers don't endorse politicians and rarely have anything nice to say about them, so to say that politicians aren't going after Village Voice Media because they need our endorsement isn't viable. Secondly, Buckmaster is only complaining because a competitor is challenging his economic advantage in the free classified arena - which he built in part on adult ads - and has made him a very wealthy man. His talk of building community and serving his users rings hollow. It now appears that, as is so often the case with New Age entrepreneurs, it's all about the money.</p>
<p>We will continue to exercise our right to accept legal adult postings from our users and concentrate on growing backpage.com. We are aggressively building additional technical solutions as well as increasing our manual site inspections to improve efficiency of removing content that is illegal or otherwise violates our Terms of Use.</p>
<p>About Village Voice Media</p>
<p>Village Voice Media is a collection of 15 weekly newspapers and daily Web sites, including New York's Village Voice, the LA Weekly, Denver's Westword and the Phoenix New Times. Online, in print, and on mobile devices, VVM's products combine music, food and events coverage with gritty, hard-hitting journalism to create the most powerful city guides in each market. While the focus of the brand is local, its free classifieds site backpage.com, partnership with social recommendation engine LikeMe.net and national sales force, Voice Media Group, extend its reach on a national level.</p>
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			<description><![CDATA[Craigslist has been catching a lot of <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20090422/2244184616.shtml">flack</a>, but Twitter might be next in line for the blame game. A British tabloid discovered that a brothel in England <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/apr/27/twitter-sex">was using the site to advertise its services</a>, and got a quote from a member of parliament labeling it <a href="http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2396893.ece">"cynical and inappropriate"</a>. It's hard to imagine that this is the only business of its sort using Twitter to stay in touch with its customers, and it just goes to show that whatever media emerge -- from printed flyers to web sites to social-networking sites -- they'll be used to promote any sort of business, including sex-based ones. The brothel's response to the newspaper article is pretty amusing, though: <a href="http://twitter.com/DivineMK/status/1628508277">a Twitter coupon</a>, using the paper's name as the discount code.  In the meantime, expect to see law enforcement officials start attacking Twitter for "enabling prostitution" in 3... 2... 1....<p style="border-top:1px #aaaaaa dashed;padding-top:5px;margin-top:10px"><em>Carlo Longino is an expert at the <a href="http://www.insightcommunity.com/">Insight Community</a>.  To get insight and analysis from Carlo Longino and other experts on challenges your company faces, <a href="http://www.insightcommunity.com/">click here</a>.</em></p>
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         <title>Lawsuit Over Google Ads for Mobile Services Dismissed Per 230--Goddard v. Google</title>
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<p>Goddard v. Google, Inc., 2008 WL 5245490 (N.D. Cal. Dec. 17, 2008).  My <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/06/google_sued_for_3.htm">initial post</a> when the complaint was filed.  The <a href="http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-candce/case_no-5:2008cv02738/case_id-203854/">Justia page</a>.</p>

<p>Goddard sued Google because Google displayed third party AdWords ads for allegedly fraudulent mobile subscription services.  On its face, this lawsuit appeared preempted by 47 USC 230 (consistent with other opinions granting 230 for third party ads, such as the recent <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/11/search_engines_4.htm">Cisneros case</a>), although the plaintiff included some allegations to try to get around 230.  No such luck for them.  This ruling kicks the lawsuit out on 230(c)(1) grounds with leave to amend (more on that in a moment).</p>

<p>I'm a big fan of Judge Fogel's opinions.  He's a meticulous and thoughtful judge, and his opinions are always carefully constructed.  In particular, this opinion is a terrific read for anyone who would like to see a cutting-edge 230 opinion.  It discusses many of the major recent 230 cases (<a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/04/roommatescom_de_1.htm">Roommates.com</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/03/ebay_denied_230.htm">Mazur</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/05/myspace_gets_23.htm">Doe v. MySpace</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/03/craigslist_gets.htm">Craigslist</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/07/ebay_denied_230_1.htm">National Numismatic</a>) and contextualizes them nicely.  It's like a 230 year-in-review opinion.  If you want a one-stop resource to see what's happened in 47 USC 230 jurisprudence in 2008, read this opinion.</p>

<p>Among other interesting aspects, this is the first opinion by a Ninth Circuit-bound district court judge that has a robust analysis of how Roommates.com applies to the case.  (Roommates.com has been cited in a few other opinions, but usually in a very cursory fashion).  Judge Fogel deftly wrestles with the multiple contradictory provisions of Roommates.com, noting that it is principally is a defendant-favorable ruling with only a thin layer of plaintiff-side opportunity.  For example, Fogel reads the Roommates.com opinion very narrowly when he says "The [Roommates.com] court emphasized repeatedly that the website lost immunity only by <em>forcing</em> its users to provide the allegedly discriminatory information as a condition of access."  The opinion did say that, but I'm not sure about the "only," and it said lots of other contradictory things as well.</p>

<p><strong>The Unfair Competition Claim</strong></p>

<p>The plaintiff argued that Google engaged in 17200 unfair competition by receiving funds from fraudulent ads.  Though this may be a novel way of framing Google's involvement, it doesn't adequately mask the underlying argument that the defendant should lose 230 coverage because it received an economic benefit from third party tortious conduct--an argument that has been rejected many, many times before and doesn't fare any better here.  The court reframes the argument as a premises liability argument and rejects it per Gentry and Doe v. MySpace.</p>

<p>Along the way, the court addresses the plaintiff's allegation in the complaint that Google helped draft the impermissible ad copy.  The plaintiff didn't press this point after the complaint, and the court says (referencing its reading of Roommates.com) that "there is no suggestion in the current record that Google encouraged the [advertisers] to create the allegedly fraudulent content, or that the creation of such content was anything less than voluntary."</p>

<p>The court also addressed the plaintiff's argument that the claim was anchored in the federal anti-money laundering criminal statute and therefore should drop out of 230 per the exclusion for federal criminal law (230(e)(1)).  The court correctly rejects this but doesn't cite precedent on this point, missing <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2006/02/yahoo_not_civil.htm">Doe v. Bates</a>.</p>

<p><strong>Breach of Contract/Negligence</strong></p>

<p>The plaintiff's other main attack vector is that Google should be liable because it failed to enforce a provision in Google's AdWords contract with advertisers restricting fraudulent conduct.  I've complained repeatedly about arguments trying to treat a vendor's contractual negative behavioral restriction as an affirmative representation by the vendor that such behavior won't occur on the website (my <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/12/lori_drew_convi_2.htm">latest rant</a> on this point).  Fortunately, Judge Fogel has little difficulty rejecting this argument, correctly pointing to the <a href="http://caselaw.findlaw.com/data2/circs/3rd/011120p.pdf">Green v. AOL</a> precedent involving the distribution of third party viruses in an AOL chatroom (the <a href="http://eric_goldman.tripod.com/caselaw/noahvaol.htm">Noah v. AOL</a> precedent would have been an appropriate additional citation).</p>

<p>To try to get around this, the plaintiff cites to the <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/03/ebay_denied_230.htm">Mazur case</a>, which said that eBay can be liable for its affirmative marketing representations even if they are rendered untrue by third party conduct.  I've repeatedly expressed my concern that the Mazur case is a more scary ruling to defendants than Roommates.com, but this opinion slightly calms my fears.  Judge Fogel correctly notes that Google never made affirmative marketing representations on this point and the negative behavioral restrictions in the AdWords contract weren't an affirmative marketing representation.</p>

<p>Google also argued that this line of claims are barred by 230(c)(2), the immunization for filtering decisions.  Citing to <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/07/ebay_denied_230_1.htm">National Numismatic v. eBay</a>, Judge Fogel rejects the argument based on the statutory list of immunized harmful content, saying "the relevant portions of Google's Content Policy require that [advertisers] provide pricing and cancellation information regarding their services. These requirements relate to business norms of fair play and transparency and are beyond the scope of   230(c)(2)."  I'm not sure the 230(c)(2) argument was Google's strongest, but I would have loved to see Judge Fogel unpack this discussion and the implicit assumptions a little more.</p>

<p><strong>Aiding and Abetting</strong></p>

<p>Finally, the court rejects the attempted 230 pleadaround that Google aided and abetted the advertisers, saying "there are no allegations here that Google developed the offending ads in any respect."  (Cite to Roommates.com).</p>

<p><strong>Leave to Amend</strong></p>

<p>Given that this case was filed after the Roommates.com en banc opinion, and therefore the plaintiff had the chance to structure the complaint based on a reading of the latest Ninth Circuit standard, it would have made sense to dismiss this complaint without leave to amend.  Instead, Judge Fogel gives the plaintiff another chance and articulates his reading of allegations that should survive 230 preemption:</p>

<blockquote>there may be instances in which an internet content provider will be considered  responsible' at least in part' for [posted third-party content] because every [posting] is a collaborative effort between the internet provider and the third-party content provider. Fair Housing Council, 521 F.3d at 1167. If Plaintiff could establish Google's involvement in creating or developing the AdWords, either in whole or in part, she might avoid the statutory immunity created by   230. In light of that possibility, Plaintiff will be given an opportunity to amend her complaint in order to allege such involvement.</blockquote>

<p>Reading between the lines, the writing is on the wall for this lawsuit.  The plaintiff can't win, and it would be a mistake for the plaintiff to refile.  The judge even says as much in a footnote to this quote, saying "at present it appears unlikely that Plaintiff can" make the requisite allegations.  Nonetheless, I'd be shocked if the plaintiff didn't refile.  If they do, I hope Judge Fogel vigilantly polices the boundaries of Rule 11 for any allegations the plaintiffs make but can't back up--just like he did in the <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2007/03/kinderstart_v_g_2.htm">KinderStart v. Google case</a>.</p>

<p><strong>A Final Point</strong></p>

<p>By my count, this is the third post-Roommates.com case where Roommates.com has been cited <strong>in favor of the defendant</strong> in kicking the case out of court.  (The other two are <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/09/cowebsite_opera.htm">Best Western v. Furber</a> and <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/11/ripoff_report_w.htm">GW Equity</a>).  In contrast, I am not aware of any case yet citing Roommates.com in favor of a plaintiff.  It's obviously early, but at this point the limited evidence suggests that Roommates.com was not a watershed change to 230 jurisprudence.  On that basis, Roommates.com may not be as bad a substantive ruling as we had initially feared.</p><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/google">google</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/google"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/google.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/plaintiff">plaintiff</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/plaintiff"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/plaintiff.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/roommates">roommates</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/roommates"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/roommates.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/judge">judge</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/judge"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/judge.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/opinion">opinion</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/opinion"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/opinion.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Eric Goldman</p>

<p>Goddard v. Google, Inc., 2008 WL 5245490 (N.D. Cal. Dec. 17, 2008).  My <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/06/google_sued_for_3.htm">initial post</a> when the complaint was filed.  The <a href="http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-candce/case_no-5:2008cv02738/case_id-203854/">Justia page</a>.</p>

<p>Goddard sued Google because Google displayed third party AdWords ads for allegedly fraudulent mobile subscription services.  On its face, this lawsuit appeared preempted by 47 USC 230 (consistent with other opinions granting 230 for third party ads, such as the recent <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/11/search_engines_4.htm">Cisneros case</a>), although the plaintiff included some allegations to try to get around 230.  No such luck for them.  This ruling kicks the lawsuit out on 230(c)(1) grounds with leave to amend (more on that in a moment).</p>

<p>I'm a big fan of Judge Fogel's opinions.  He's a meticulous and thoughtful judge, and his opinions are always carefully constructed.  In particular, this opinion is a terrific read for anyone who would like to see a cutting-edge 230 opinion.  It discusses many of the major recent 230 cases (<a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/04/roommatescom_de_1.htm">Roommates.com</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/03/ebay_denied_230.htm">Mazur</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/05/myspace_gets_23.htm">Doe v. MySpace</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/03/craigslist_gets.htm">Craigslist</a>, <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/07/ebay_denied_230_1.htm">National Numismatic</a>) and contextualizes them nicely.  It's like a 230 year-in-review opinion.  If you want a one-stop resource to see what's happened in 47 USC 230 jurisprudence in 2008, read this opinion.</p>

<p>Among other interesting aspects, this is the first opinion by a Ninth Circuit-bound district court judge that has a robust analysis of how Roommates.com applies to the case.  (Roommates.com has been cited in a few other opinions, but usually in a very cursory fashion).  Judge Fogel deftly wrestles with the multiple contradictory provisions of Roommates.com, noting that it is principally is a defendant-favorable ruling with only a thin layer of plaintiff-side opportunity.  For example, Fogel reads the Roommates.com opinion very narrowly when he says "The [Roommates.com] court emphasized repeatedly that the website lost immunity only by <em>forcing</em> its users to provide the allegedly discriminatory information as a condition of access."  The opinion did say that, but I'm not sure about the "only," and it said lots of other contradictory things as well.</p>

<p><strong>The Unfair Competition Claim</strong></p>

<p>The plaintiff argued that Google engaged in 17200 unfair competition by receiving funds from fraudulent ads.  Though this may be a novel way of framing Google's involvement, it doesn't adequately mask the underlying argument that the defendant should lose 230 coverage because it received an economic benefit from third party tortious conduct--an argument that has been rejected many, many times before and doesn't fare any better here.  The court reframes the argument as a premises liability argument and rejects it per Gentry and Doe v. MySpace.</p>

<p>Along the way, the court addresses the plaintiff's allegation in the complaint that Google helped draft the impermissible ad copy.  The plaintiff didn't press this point after the complaint, and the court says (referencing its reading of Roommates.com) that "there is no suggestion in the current record that Google encouraged the [advertisers] to create the allegedly fraudulent content, or that the creation of such content was anything less than voluntary."</p>

<p>The court also addressed the plaintiff's argument that the claim was anchored in the federal anti-money laundering criminal statute and therefore should drop out of 230 per the exclusion for federal criminal law (230(e)(1)).  The court correctly rejects this but doesn't cite precedent on this point, missing <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2006/02/yahoo_not_civil.htm">Doe v. Bates</a>.</p>

<p><strong>Breach of Contract/Negligence</strong></p>

<p>The plaintiff's other main attack vector is that Google should be liable because it failed to enforce a provision in Google's AdWords contract with advertisers restricting fraudulent conduct.  I've complained repeatedly about arguments trying to treat a vendor's contractual negative behavioral restriction as an affirmative representation by the vendor that such behavior won't occur on the website (my <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/12/lori_drew_convi_2.htm">latest rant</a> on this point).  Fortunately, Judge Fogel has little difficulty rejecting this argument, correctly pointing to the <a href="http://caselaw.findlaw.com/data2/circs/3rd/011120p.pdf">Green v. AOL</a> precedent involving the distribution of third party viruses in an AOL chatroom (the <a href="http://eric_goldman.tripod.com/caselaw/noahvaol.htm">Noah v. AOL</a> precedent would have been an appropriate additional citation).</p>

<p>To try to get around this, the plaintiff cites to the <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/03/ebay_denied_230.htm">Mazur case</a>, which said that eBay can be liable for its affirmative marketing representations even if they are rendered untrue by third party conduct.  I've repeatedly expressed my concern that the Mazur case is a more scary ruling to defendants than Roommates.com, but this opinion slightly calms my fears.  Judge Fogel correctly notes that Google never made affirmative marketing representations on this point and the negative behavioral restrictions in the AdWords contract weren't an affirmative marketing representation.</p>

<p>Google also argued that this line of claims are barred by 230(c)(2), the immunization for filtering decisions.  Citing to <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/07/ebay_denied_230_1.htm">National Numismatic v. eBay</a>, Judge Fogel rejects the argument based on the statutory list of immunized harmful content, saying "the relevant portions of Google's Content Policy require that [advertisers] provide pricing and cancellation information regarding their services. These requirements relate to business norms of fair play and transparency and are beyond the scope of   230(c)(2)."  I'm not sure the 230(c)(2) argument was Google's strongest, but I would have loved to see Judge Fogel unpack this discussion and the implicit assumptions a little more.</p>

<p><strong>Aiding and Abetting</strong></p>

<p>Finally, the court rejects the attempted 230 pleadaround that Google aided and abetted the advertisers, saying "there are no allegations here that Google developed the offending ads in any respect."  (Cite to Roommates.com).</p>

<p><strong>Leave to Amend</strong></p>

<p>Given that this case was filed after the Roommates.com en banc opinion, and therefore the plaintiff had the chance to structure the complaint based on a reading of the latest Ninth Circuit standard, it would have made sense to dismiss this complaint without leave to amend.  Instead, Judge Fogel gives the plaintiff another chance and articulates his reading of allegations that should survive 230 preemption:</p>

<blockquote>there may be instances in which an internet content provider will be considered  responsible' at least in part' for [posted third-party content] because every [posting] is a collaborative effort between the internet provider and the third-party content provider. Fair Housing Council, 521 F.3d at 1167. If Plaintiff could establish Google's involvement in creating or developing the AdWords, either in whole or in part, she might avoid the statutory immunity created by   230. In light of that possibility, Plaintiff will be given an opportunity to amend her complaint in order to allege such involvement.</blockquote>

<p>Reading between the lines, the writing is on the wall for this lawsuit.  The plaintiff can't win, and it would be a mistake for the plaintiff to refile.  The judge even says as much in a footnote to this quote, saying "at present it appears unlikely that Plaintiff can" make the requisite allegations.  Nonetheless, I'd be shocked if the plaintiff didn't refile.  If they do, I hope Judge Fogel vigilantly polices the boundaries of Rule 11 for any allegations the plaintiffs make but can't back up--just like he did in the <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2007/03/kinderstart_v_g_2.htm">KinderStart v. Google case</a>.</p>

<p><strong>A Final Point</strong></p>

<p>By my count, this is the third post-Roommates.com case where Roommates.com has been cited <strong>in favor of the defendant</strong> in kicking the case out of court.  (The other two are <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/09/cowebsite_opera.htm">Best Western v. Furber</a> and <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/11/ripoff_report_w.htm">GW Equity</a>).  In contrast, I am not aware of any case yet citing Roommates.com in favor of a plaintiff.  It's obviously early, but at this point the limited evidence suggests that Roommates.com was not a watershed change to 230 jurisprudence.  On that basis, Roommates.com may not be as bad a substantive ruling as we had initially feared.</p><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/google">google</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/google"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/google.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/plaintiff">plaintiff</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/plaintiff"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/plaintiff.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/roommates">roommates</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/roommates"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/roommates.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/judge">judge</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/judge"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/judge.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/opinion">opinion</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/opinion"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/opinion.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></content:encoded>

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			<description><![CDATA[You may recall the story that got a lot of press earlier this month about the bank robber who, rather creatively <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081007/0905582476.shtml">used Craigslist</a> to enlist a bunch of unwitting conspirators.  He put up a day labor job ad, telling anyone interested to show up at a particular corner (in front of a bank) dressed in a very specific manner (blue shirt, safety goggles, dayglo work vest) where they would find out what work they were expected to do.  Instead, the guy robbed the bank dressed in the same manner, and left police confused as they saw a bunch of folks who met the description of the bank robber.
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However, it appears that the guy <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/06/police_catch_craigslist_robber_suspect/">has now been caught</a>, as police used some good old fashioned detective work to figure out his identity -- relying on witness clues and DNA evidence.  While the method of his getaway seems intriguing, what may be even more worthy of note is that the guy posted the original Craigslist ad using an open WiFi, believing that would help him avoid getting caught.  Over the past few years, we've heard time and time again law enforcement officials complain and fret about open WiFi being a criminals' best friend, because it meant a criminal could do whatever they want and <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20040602/1857248.shtml">never get caught</a>.  Yet, as we've seen <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20040625/2238204.shtml">time</a> and <a href="http://techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20040907/0022235.shtml">time</a> and <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20071211/022848.shtml">time again</a>, such criminals can often be tracked down via other means.
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Yes, it's true that an open WiFi network makes it more difficult to track down the criminal, but we don't live in a world where criminals are expected to leave a calling card everywhere they go either.  Instead, we expect police to do a variety of detective work.  A guy who walks into a bank with a ski mask isn't identifiable by his face, but the police look at other clues.  In the same way, a criminal who uses open WiFi isn't identifiable via his IP address, but police look at other clues.  And that's just what they did in this and many other cases that involve criminal behavior using open WiFi.<br><br><a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20081106/1737202760.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20081106/1737202760.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20081106/1737202760&amp;op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br>
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<br><br>
However, it appears that the guy <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/06/police_catch_craigslist_robber_suspect/">has now been caught</a>, as police used some good old fashioned detective work to figure out his identity -- relying on witness clues and DNA evidence.  While the method of his getaway seems intriguing, what may be even more worthy of note is that the guy posted the original Craigslist ad using an open WiFi, believing that would help him avoid getting caught.  Over the past few years, we've heard time and time again law enforcement officials complain and fret about open WiFi being a criminals' best friend, because it meant a criminal could do whatever they want and <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20040602/1857248.shtml">never get caught</a>.  Yet, as we've seen <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20040625/2238204.shtml">time</a> and <a href="http://techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20040907/0022235.shtml">time</a> and <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20071211/022848.shtml">time again</a>, such criminals can often be tracked down via other means.
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Yes, it's true that an open WiFi network makes it more difficult to track down the criminal, but we don't live in a world where criminals are expected to leave a calling card everywhere they go either.  Instead, we expect police to do a variety of detective work.  A guy who walks into a bank with a ski mask isn't identifiable by his face, but the police look at other clues.  In the same way, a criminal who uses open WiFi isn't identifiable via his IP address, but police look at other clues.  And that's just what they did in this and many other cases that involve criminal behavior using open WiFi.<br><br><a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20081106/1737202760.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20081106/1737202760.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20081106/1737202760&amp;op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br>
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<p>Despite being three years old, <a href="http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/80714812.html">the Dear Red States Craigslist posting from 2005</a> is suddenly circulating again.  I guess it must be election season that has revived this.  But I figured I'd take a quick shot at a response.</p>
<blockquote><p>Dear Red States We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the other Blue States with us.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hot Damn.  Thanks.  You're like people who have stayed long after the rest of the party goers have gone home. We've been hoping you'd finally leave, but we're too polite to simply throw you out.</p>
<blockquote><p>In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California.</p>
<p>To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, actually, Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin and Washington are typically considered swing states, but you can have them.  Congratulations. You got two states too cold to live in, a failing automotive industry, and Washington.</p>
<p>As for the beaches, we got the entire gulf coast an the Atlantic up to North Carolina.  You got the rocky coast of the northwest and the Jersey Shore (whose tourism board just recently announced their new slogan Guidos in Speedos).  Again.  Congrats.</p>
<blockquote><p>We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom. We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of America 's venture capital and entrepreneurs.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don't mean to quibble with your argument, but Bank of America is the nation's largest and one of the few solvent banks.  It's located in North Carolina.  We'll take that.</p>
<p>I also suspect that most of the corporate CEOs that built that wealth will move in with us since better than 75% of them vote Republican.</p>
<blockquote><p>You get Alabama. We get two-thirds of the tax revenue; you get to make the red states pay their fair share.</p></blockquote>
<p>You can have the tax revenue.  We'll give the other 1/3 back to the people since they know how to spend it better than your army of bureaucrats.</p>
<blockquote><p>Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.</p>
<p>Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire</p></blockquote>
<p>Since our troops will be coming home in a year under President Bush's plan anyway, that's fine with us.</p>
<p>You're also likely impose strict gun control while we a) have a tendency to support regime change b) have a lot of guns. In addition, since most of America's nuclear arsenal sits in silos in the red states, if we ever decide we want New California back  Well, let's just say, Sleep tight!</p>
<blockquote><p>With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80% of the country's fresh water, more than 90 % of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 % of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 %of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90% of all cheese, 90% of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.</p></blockquote>
<p>You got me there.  Let's just hope that all the Asian students who are attending those schools will let you mow their lawns when they graduate.</p>
<p>While I will miss the pineapple, I think I speak for my red state family when I say we're ok giving up the wine and stinky cheese.  After all, we still have all the Jack Daniels from Tennesee, all the Coors and Budweiser beer products from Colorado and Missouri, most of America's steak, and all the cigars we can roll with that North Carolina tobacco.</p>
<p>You also seem to forget that a) we will get most of America's total acreage.  We get America's strategic oil reserve, we get all the oil in Texas and Alaska.  With a much smaller population, we'll have enough energy to last generations.  If we run short, we have no problem drilling off the coast of New California since we know we won't run into you there. Even if we do, like I said, we have all the guns.</p>
<p>That is a shame about the condors.  I hear they're good eatin'.</p>
<blockquote><p>With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 % of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92% of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99% of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100% of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.</p></blockquote>
<p>I can live with that.</p>
<blockquote><p>We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you. Additionally, 38 % of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62% believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44% say that evolution is only a theory, 53% that Saddam was involved in 9/11, and 61% of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.</p>
<p>By the way, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico .</p>
<p>Peace out,<br>
Blue States</p></blockquote>
<p>Ugh! You get Hollywood?  Bummer.  You've just taken on a huge sector of the economy that creates little of actual value, yet gets paid better than most CEOs.  But we're willing to accept that since you have agreed to permanently dispose of Paris Hilton, Rosie O'Donnell, and Britney Spears.  Thanks for taking care of that for us.</p>
<p>In closing, let me simply say thank you again. I think this arrangement will work out beautifully.</p>
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<p>Despite being three years old, <a href="http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/80714812.html">the Dear Red States Craigslist posting from 2005</a> is suddenly circulating again.  I guess it must be election season that has revived this.  But I figured I'd take a quick shot at a response.</p>
<blockquote><p>Dear Red States We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the other Blue States with us.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hot Damn.  Thanks.  You're like people who have stayed long after the rest of the party goers have gone home. We've been hoping you'd finally leave, but we're too polite to simply throw you out.</p>
<blockquote><p>In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California.</p>
<p>To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, actually, Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin and Washington are typically considered swing states, but you can have them.  Congratulations. You got two states too cold to live in, a failing automotive industry, and Washington.</p>
<p>As for the beaches, we got the entire gulf coast an the Atlantic up to North Carolina.  You got the rocky coast of the northwest and the Jersey Shore (whose tourism board just recently announced their new slogan Guidos in Speedos).  Again.  Congrats.</p>
<blockquote><p>We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom. We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of America 's venture capital and entrepreneurs.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don't mean to quibble with your argument, but Bank of America is the nation's largest and one of the few solvent banks.  It's located in North Carolina.  We'll take that.</p>
<p>I also suspect that most of the corporate CEOs that built that wealth will move in with us since better than 75% of them vote Republican.</p>
<blockquote><p>You get Alabama. We get two-thirds of the tax revenue; you get to make the red states pay their fair share.</p></blockquote>
<p>You can have the tax revenue.  We'll give the other 1/3 back to the people since they know how to spend it better than your army of bureaucrats.</p>
<blockquote><p>Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.</p>
<p>Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire</p></blockquote>
<p>Since our troops will be coming home in a year under President Bush's plan anyway, that's fine with us.</p>
<p>You're also likely impose strict gun control while we a) have a tendency to support regime change b) have a lot of guns. In addition, since most of America's nuclear arsenal sits in silos in the red states, if we ever decide we want New California back  Well, let's just say, Sleep tight!</p>
<blockquote><p>With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80% of the country's fresh water, more than 90 % of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 % of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 %of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90% of all cheese, 90% of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.</p></blockquote>
<p>You got me there.  Let's just hope that all the Asian students who are attending those schools will let you mow their lawns when they graduate.</p>
<p>While I will miss the pineapple, I think I speak for my red state family when I say we're ok giving up the wine and stinky cheese.  After all, we still have all the Jack Daniels from Tennesee, all the Coors and Budweiser beer products from Colorado and Missouri, most of America's steak, and all the cigars we can roll with that North Carolina tobacco.</p>
<p>You also seem to forget that a) we will get most of America's total acreage.  We get America's strategic oil reserve, we get all the oil in Texas and Alaska.  With a much smaller population, we'll have enough energy to last generations.  If we run short, we have no problem drilling off the coast of New California since we know we won't run into you there. Even if we do, like I said, we have all the guns.</p>
<p>That is a shame about the condors.  I hear they're good eatin'.</p>
<blockquote><p>With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 % of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92% of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99% of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100% of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.</p></blockquote>
<p>I can live with that.</p>
<blockquote><p>We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you. Additionally, 38 % of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62% believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44% say that evolution is only a theory, 53% that Saddam was involved in 9/11, and 61% of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.</p>
<p>By the way, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico .</p>
<p>Peace out,<br>
Blue States</p></blockquote>
<p>Ugh! You get Hollywood?  Bummer.  You've just taken on a huge sector of the economy that creates little of actual value, yet gets paid better than most CEOs.  But we're willing to accept that since you have agreed to permanently dispose of Paris Hilton, Rosie O'Donnell, and Britney Spears.  Thanks for taking care of that for us.</p>
<p>In closing, let me simply say thank you again. I think this arrangement will work out beautifully.</p>
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			<description><![CDATA[You may have recently heard that story of a bank robber who, rather ingeniously, used Craigslist to <a href="http://news.cnet.com/bank-robber-hires-decoys-on-craigslist-fools-cops/">create a diversion</a> so he could get away with his crime.  He put up a message, asking a bunch of people to show up for construction work, and told them what to wear, very specifically.  He had them gather near the bank he was planning to rob -- and then wore the same outfit.  After robbing the bank, police and security then saw a mob of folks all matching the same basic description as the bank robber.  So far, the guy seems to have gotten away with the crime.
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However, it's only a matter of time until others start thinking about ways to make use of social media for crime.  This isn't to blame social media at all (though, expect the press -- and possibly politicians -- to falsely focus on the tech), as it's just a tool.  But it is worth thinking about how criminals might use these technologies, if we want to think about ways to prevent the worst abuses.  Jeremy Wagstaff has an interesting post where he wonders <a href="http://www.loosewireblog.com/2008/10/the-scam-potent.html">if Twitter will become a source of info for scammers and criminals</a>, who gather the info people reveal about themselves to use in a crime.  He's riffing off of a David Weinberger blog post, which jokes about how the opposite of the Do Not Disturb sign in many hotels says something along the lines of "Make Up My Room Now."  As Weingberg <a href="http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2008/10/05/the-opposite-of-do-not-disturb/">astutely notes</a>, some could interpret this as actually saying: "I'm Out, So This Would Be a Good to Rob Me, Especially If You Are Squeamish about Violence."
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Wagstaff wonders if the same is true about status updates on Twitter, Facebook and other social sites -- and someone announcing that they're away from home opens up an opportunity to a burglar to break in.  To some extent, I would imagine that could be true -- and I'm almost positive we'll eventually read some story somewhere about a criminal using data on Twitter to do something -- but it's difficult to see how most Twitter messages are really <i>that</i> revealing.  It's not that difficult for a potential burglar to just canvas a house and see that the inhabitants go to work every day, and they get the same benefit, totally unrelated to the status message.  Also, I'd argue that what a status message leaves out may turn out to be more important than what is put in.  For example, my Twitter status might note that I'm traveling and in Chicago right now... but might not mention the fact that a friend, who spent a few years in the army, is housesitting for me and watching my pets.  Anyone who relies solely on the Twitter message to decide where to rob, might be in for a bit of a surprise.
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In some ways, this whole thing is similar to the "fear" when answering machines first showed up.  There were reports that warned people not to say "we're not in right now" as people were told that criminals might use this to figure out who to rob.  Instead, they were told to say "we can't get to the phone right now," as a transparent sort of hedge.  Of course, the whole thing was silly.  It was hardly an efficient way for criminals to find out who to rob, and the actual risk was quite low.  The same thing is likely true of any "threat" of criminals using Twitter. 
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<br><br>
However, it's only a matter of time until others start thinking about ways to make use of social media for crime.  This isn't to blame social media at all (though, expect the press -- and possibly politicians -- to falsely focus on the tech), as it's just a tool.  But it is worth thinking about how criminals might use these technologies, if we want to think about ways to prevent the worst abuses.  Jeremy Wagstaff has an interesting post where he wonders <a href="http://www.loosewireblog.com/2008/10/the-scam-potent.html">if Twitter will become a source of info for scammers and criminals</a>, who gather the info people reveal about themselves to use in a crime.  He's riffing off of a David Weinberger blog post, which jokes about how the opposite of the Do Not Disturb sign in many hotels says something along the lines of "Make Up My Room Now."  As Weingberg <a href="http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2008/10/05/the-opposite-of-do-not-disturb/">astutely notes</a>, some could interpret this as actually saying: "I'm Out, So This Would Be a Good to Rob Me, Especially If You Are Squeamish about Violence."
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Wagstaff wonders if the same is true about status updates on Twitter, Facebook and other social sites -- and someone announcing that they're away from home opens up an opportunity to a burglar to break in.  To some extent, I would imagine that could be true -- and I'm almost positive we'll eventually read some story somewhere about a criminal using data on Twitter to do something -- but it's difficult to see how most Twitter messages are really <i>that</i> revealing.  It's not that difficult for a potential burglar to just canvas a house and see that the inhabitants go to work every day, and they get the same benefit, totally unrelated to the status message.  Also, I'd argue that what a status message leaves out may turn out to be more important than what is put in.  For example, my Twitter status might note that I'm traveling and in Chicago right now... but might not mention the fact that a friend, who spent a few years in the army, is housesitting for me and watching my pets.  Anyone who relies solely on the Twitter message to decide where to rob, might be in for a bit of a surprise.
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In some ways, this whole thing is similar to the "fear" when answering machines first showed up.  There were reports that warned people not to say "we're not in right now" as people were told that criminals might use this to figure out who to rob.  Instead, they were told to say "we can't get to the phone right now," as a transparent sort of hedge.  Of course, the whole thing was silly.  It was hardly an efficient way for criminals to find out who to rob, and the actual risk was quite low.  The same thing is likely true of any "threat" of criminals using Twitter. 
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><strong><em>e360Insight, LLC v. Comcast Corp.</em></strong>, No. 08 C 340, Slip Op. (N.D. Ill. Apr. 10, 2008) (Zagel, J.).</p><p>Judge Zagel granted defendant Comcast judgment on the pleadings, dismissing plaintiff e360Insight's (&quot;e360&quot;) Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, First Amendment, and related state law claims. e360, an Internet marketer and accused email spammer, alleged that Comcast harmed e360 by unjustifiably blocking all or most of e360's emails from Comcast's customer email accounts. Comcast stopped e360&#39;s emails with filtering software that identified and stopped emails from e360 addresses.</p><p>Comcast argued that the Good Samaritan clause of the Communications Decency Act, 47 U.S.C.   230(c)(2), provided Comcast absolute immunity from e360&#39;s claims because Comcast voluntarily filtered e360&#39;s emails to restrict access to what Comcast believed was objectionable content. 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And e360 did not sufficiently plead Comcast&#39;s lack of good faith in determining that the emails were objectionable.</p><p>Eric Goldman at the <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org">Technology &amp; Marketing Law Blog</a> has a good post on this case and several other district court cases considering   230(c) defenses.  <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/04/47_usc_230_trifecta.htm">click here</a> for his post.</p><img src="http://feeds.lexblog.com/~r/ChicagoIpLitigationBlog/~4/294158208" height="1" width="1"><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/e">e</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/e"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/e.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/comcast">comcast</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/comcast"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/comcast.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/emails">emails</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/emails"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/emails.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/clause">clause</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/clause"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/clause.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/objectionable">objectionable</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/objectionable"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/objectionable.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><em>e360Insight, LLC v. Comcast Corp.</em></strong>, No. 08 C 340, Slip Op. (N.D. Ill. Apr. 10, 2008) (Zagel, J.).</p><p>Judge Zagel granted defendant Comcast judgment on the pleadings, dismissing plaintiff e360Insight's (&quot;e360&quot;) Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, First Amendment, and related state law claims. e360, an Internet marketer and accused email spammer, alleged that Comcast harmed e360 by unjustifiably blocking all or most of e360's emails from Comcast's customer email accounts. Comcast stopped e360&#39;s emails with filtering software that identified and stopped emails from e360 addresses.</p><p>Comcast argued that the Good Samaritan clause of the Communications Decency Act, 47 U.S.C.   230(c)(2), provided Comcast absolute immunity from e360&#39;s claims because Comcast voluntarily filtered e360&#39;s emails to restrict access to what Comcast believed was objectionable content. The Court held that the Good Samaritan clause provided absolute immunity for ISPs that filtered for objectionable material. The Court also held that Judge St. Eve&#39;s and the Seventh Circuit&#39;s recent <em>Chicago Lawyers' Committee v.</em> <em>Craigslist</em> opinions  <a href="http://www.chicagoiplitigation.com/tags/230/">click here</a> for more on those cases  were not applicable. Those opinions limited the clause&#39;s protection for ISPs that chose not to filter. Because Comcast filtered, it enjoyed absolute protection. The Court also held that e360&#39;s compliance with Congress&#39;s spam prevention laws, 15 U.S.C.    7701-13 (Controlling the Assault of Non-Solicited Pornography and Marketing Act of 2003 (&quot;CAN-SPAM&quot;) was irrelevant. Regardless of compliance with CAN-SPAM, the Good Samaritan clause still allowed the ISP to make a good faith judgment that e360&#39;s emails were objectionable. And e360 did not sufficiently plead Comcast&#39;s lack of good faith in determining that the emails were objectionable.</p><p>Eric Goldman at the <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org">Technology &amp; Marketing Law Blog</a> has a good post on this case and several other district court cases considering   230(c) defenses.  <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/04/47_usc_230_trifecta.htm">click here</a> for his post.</p><img src="http://feeds.lexblog.com/~r/ChicagoIpLitigationBlog/~4/294158208" height="1" width="1"><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/e">e</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/e"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/e.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/comcast">comcast</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/comcast"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/comcast.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/emails">emails</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/emails"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/emails.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/clause">clause</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/clause"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/clause.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/objectionable">objectionable</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/objectionable"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/objectionable.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></content:encoded>

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<p>Jon Dahl of <a href="http://slantwisedesign.com/">Slantwise Design</a> presented at <a href="http://www.minnebar.com">Minnebar</a> on "Consulting for fun and profit"</p>

<p>Dahl provided a Jeopardy style list of topics to choose from. The thoughts below come from a combination of Dahl and audience participation.</p>

<p><strong>Hiring</strong></p>

<p>Pitfalls to avoid with hiring employees. Should you fire friends? The audience differed on the value of this. Don't hurt your business by hiring someone just because they're a friend, but do hire those who are truly valuable. </p>

<p>90% of working with people is chemistry. But it's hard to know whether someone will have the right chemistry based on interviews. Try to find people with complimentary skills. Don't mistake the effectiveness of your personal relationship for a relationship that would work in a business setting.</p>

<p>You may like the people you work with but not hang out with them. That's fine.</p>

<p>We have found all of our developers through Craigslist and the community (events like Minnebar).</p>

<p><strong>Finding Customers</strong></p>

<p>Look for small projects first. Easier to complete some projects and build a portfolio. </p>

<p>Consider partnering with other small firms to build relationships. </p>

<p>Have a blog. Prove that you're well-spoken, smart, and thing about interesting things. </p>

<p>Have your principles do sales. Customers want to talk to the people who are ultimately responsible for the success of the project on your end. </p>

<p>Placement agencies can help to find projects.</p>

<p><strong>Rates &amp; Prices</strong></p>

<p>"Everyone does work hourly, but it doesn't make sense to me." explained an audience member. Reusable work seems to make more sense to sell on a project basis. </p>

<p>User-interactivity: Better off billing hourly since people generally don't know what they want when they're starting. </p>

<p>If you're "a person on the team" consulting, hourly works well. </p>

<p>Fixed bids seem to work better with government and large companies who are used to bidding. But be sure to contractually lock down the deliverables. </p>

<p>Fixed bid requires a closer eye on the scope / more project management.</p>

<p>Hybrid: Do an hourly project to determine requirements. Then put together an estimate for a fixed-bid project.</p>

<p><strong>Scope Creep</strong></p>

<p>What to do? Get new customers if you're doing fixed-bid work. For hourly, keep billing them. </p>

<p>Determine the customer's budget when determining an appropriate scope/bid.</p>

<p>Don't change features during each iteration. Write down and hold features until the next round. </p>

<center>Dealing with Difficult Customers</center>

<p>Fire them. </p>

<p>Raise prices until they fire you.</p>

<p>Do a bad job until they fire you?</p>

<p>You can fire customers, and you can find new work. However, even difficult customers can be dealt with if you work with them. </p>

<p><strong>Tools and Work Environment</strong></p>

<p>Coffee</p>

<p>Good Accountant</p>

<p>Good Lawyer - Dahl uses NewCouncil.com</p>

<p>IRC or Campfire - Especially great when working contractors.</p>

<p>Basecamp for Development - Audience member: "Where programming project go to die."</p>

<p>Bug Tracker</p>

<p>Location: Spare bedroom? Basement? Office? Whatever works for you and your team. Some developers can't stand an office setting. Others work much better face to face.</p>

<p>"If you really need to know something from a client, pick up a phone."</p>

<p><strong>Consulting vs Products</strong></p>

<p>"I find myself wanting to work on my own projects, but need to focus on paying the bills [through consulting]." Audience member.</p>

<p>Product development is really alluring. Tough to balance with consulting. </p>

<p>Find some efficiencies through reuse of code (almost a product) with similar clients.</p>

<p><strong>Cash Flow</strong></p>

<p>"Consulting makes me bipolar." Audience member.</p>

<p>Checks don't come in on a steady basis. </p>

<p>Figure out your baseline expense and cover that. Then aim for a huge padding above that. </p>

<p>Selection is important. Find clients who pay and pay on time. </p>

<p>Get some money up front. Discounts for early payment is mixed.</p>

<p><strong>Winning Contracts</strong></p>

<p>Clients are most concerned about whether they can trust you. </p>

<p><strong>Improving Customers</strong></p>

<p>Bill appropriate prices for your value. </p>

<p><strong>Building a Reputation</strong></p>

<p>Do good work. </p>

<p>Have a blog.</p>

<p>Be known in the developer community.</p>

<p>Establish a niche. (Ex. Ruby on Rails)</p>

<p><strong>Size</strong></p>

<p>How big do you want to be?</p>

<p>Each person makes the team different and dynamics more difficult. </p>

<p><strong>Quality vs Profits</strong></p>

<p>Important question. You can't compromise. </p>

<p>To be an excellent firm, you have to do excellent work. </p>

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<p>Jon Dahl of <a href="http://slantwisedesign.com/">Slantwise Design</a> presented at <a href="http://www.minnebar.com">Minnebar</a> on "Consulting for fun and profit"</p>

<p>Dahl provided a Jeopardy style list of topics to choose from. The thoughts below come from a combination of Dahl and audience participation.</p>

<p><strong>Hiring</strong></p>

<p>Pitfalls to avoid with hiring employees. Should you fire friends? The audience differed on the value of this. Don't hurt your business by hiring someone just because they're a friend, but do hire those who are truly valuable. </p>

<p>90% of working with people is chemistry. But it's hard to know whether someone will have the right chemistry based on interviews. Try to find people with complimentary skills. Don't mistake the effectiveness of your personal relationship for a relationship that would work in a business setting.</p>

<p>You may like the people you work with but not hang out with them. That's fine.</p>

<p>We have found all of our developers through Craigslist and the community (events like Minnebar).</p>

<p><strong>Finding Customers</strong></p>

<p>Look for small projects first. Easier to complete some projects and build a portfolio. </p>

<p>Consider partnering with other small firms to build relationships. </p>

<p>Have a blog. Prove that you're well-spoken, smart, and thing about interesting things. </p>

<p>Have your principles do sales. Customers want to talk to the people who are ultimately responsible for the success of the project on your end. </p>

<p>Placement agencies can help to find projects.</p>

<p><strong>Rates &amp; Prices</strong></p>

<p>"Everyone does work hourly, but it doesn't make sense to me." explained an audience member. Reusable work seems to make more sense to sell on a project basis. </p>

<p>User-interactivity: Better off billing hourly since people generally don't know what they want when they're starting. </p>

<p>If you're "a person on the team" consulting, hourly works well. </p>

<p>Fixed bids seem to work better with government and large companies who are used to bidding. But be sure to contractually lock down the deliverables. </p>

<p>Fixed bid requires a closer eye on the scope / more project management.</p>

<p>Hybrid: Do an hourly project to determine requirements. Then put together an estimate for a fixed-bid project.</p>

<p><strong>Scope Creep</strong></p>

<p>What to do? Get new customers if you're doing fixed-bid work. For hourly, keep billing them. </p>

<p>Determine the customer's budget when determining an appropriate scope/bid.</p>

<p>Don't change features during each iteration. Write down and hold features until the next round. </p>

<center>Dealing with Difficult Customers</center>

<p>Fire them. </p>

<p>Raise prices until they fire you.</p>

<p>Do a bad job until they fire you?</p>

<p>You can fire customers, and you can find new work. However, even difficult customers can be dealt with if you work with them. </p>

<p><strong>Tools and Work Environment</strong></p>

<p>Coffee</p>

<p>Good Accountant</p>

<p>Good Lawyer - Dahl uses NewCouncil.com</p>

<p>IRC or Campfire - Especially great when working contractors.</p>

<p>Basecamp for Development - Audience member: "Where programming project go to die."</p>

<p>Bug Tracker</p>

<p>Location: Spare bedroom? Basement? Office? Whatever works for you and your team. Some developers can't stand an office setting. Others work much better face to face.</p>

<p>"If you really need to know something from a client, pick up a phone."</p>

<p><strong>Consulting vs Products</strong></p>

<p>"I find myself wanting to work on my own projects, but need to focus on paying the bills [through consulting]." Audience member.</p>

<p>Product development is really alluring. Tough to balance with consulting. </p>

<p>Find some efficiencies through reuse of code (almost a product) with similar clients.</p>

<p><strong>Cash Flow</strong></p>

<p>"Consulting makes me bipolar." Audience member.</p>

<p>Checks don't come in on a steady basis. </p>

<p>Figure out your baseline expense and cover that. Then aim for a huge padding above that. </p>

<p>Selection is important. Find clients who pay and pay on time. </p>

<p>Get some money up front. Discounts for early payment is mixed.</p>

<p><strong>Winning Contracts</strong></p>

<p>Clients are most concerned about whether they can trust you. </p>

<p><strong>Improving Customers</strong></p>

<p>Bill appropriate prices for your value. </p>

<p><strong>Building a Reputation</strong></p>

<p>Do good work. </p>

<p>Have a blog.</p>

<p>Be known in the developer community.</p>

<p>Establish a niche. (Ex. Ruby on Rails)</p>

<p><strong>Size</strong></p>

<p>How big do you want to be?</p>

<p>Each person makes the team different and dynamics more difficult. </p>

<p><strong>Quality vs Profits</strong></p>

<p>Important question. You can't compromise. </p>

<p>To be an excellent firm, you have to do excellent work. </p>

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			<description><![CDATA[The mystery of the legal clash between <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/4032?TID=rss%2Fcompany">eBay</a> and the online classifieds service Craigslist has been solved. <br><br>At the heart of the dispute, as Megan Barnett <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/daily-brief/2008/04/22/did-craigslist-dupe-ebay">speculated</a> last week, was that eBay liked Craigslist so much that it launched a direct competitor, Kijiji, in some U.S. markets in 2007.<br><br>In a <a href="http://investor.ebay.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=307512">redacted lawsuit</a> that was released late on Wednesday, eBay does not deny that Kijiji would compete, but contends that Craigslist went too far in its response under the terms of a 2004 agreement that gave eBay a 28.4 percent stake in the company. Kijiji has reportedly grown to 10 percent the size of Craigslist in just six months.<br><br>&quot;The original agreement between the two parties always envisioned that there could be competitive activity,&quot; an eBay spokeswoman, Kim Rubey, told the Associated Press.<br><br>Months after Kijiji&#39;s start in the United States (it began in overseas markets in 2005), Craigslist&#39;s owners, Craig Newmark and Jim Buckmaster, &quot;engaged in clandestine transactions&quot; to dilute eBay&#39;s stake to 24.85 percent, and prevent it from nominating a new member to Craigslist&#39;s board, the suit says.<br><br>&quot;We are no longer comfortable having eBay as a shareholder, and wish to explore options for our repurchase, or for otherwise finding a new home for these shares,&quot; Buckmaster, Craigslist&#39;s chief executive, told <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/executive-profiles/13530?TID=rss%2Fexec">Meg Whitman</a>, the C.E.O. of eBay, in an email last July. <br><br>Whitman's response, according to the suit, was an offer to buy the entire company.<br><br>&quot;We would welcome the opportunity to acquire the remainder of [Craigslist] we do not already own whenever you [and Newmark] feel it would be appropriate,&quot; she wrote.<br><br>Speculation about a sale or initial public offering of Craigslist has periodically swelled in the wake of rich valuations given to YouTube after Google's $1.5 billion acquisition and to Facebook after Micosoft's investment in it. <br><br>Craigslist's top executives have consistently mocked such ambitions, expressing a complete lack of interest in cashing out. <br><br>The lawsuit cites an appearance by Newmark on <span>The Charlie Rose Show</span> just days before Whitman's overture. Nemark said that people are always asking Buckmaster how they are going to make more money. <br><br>&quot;And we say, &#39;hey, not interested.&#39; Because once you are living well, and maybe providing for your future, what&#39;s the point in more,&quot; Newmark said.<br><br>Henry Blodget on the Silicon Alley Insider website last month <a href="http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/4/craigslist_valuation_80_million_in_2008_revenue_worth_5_billion">estimated</a> that Craigslist has $80 million in annual revenue and $25 million in operating profit. But Craigslist is run like a nonprofit, he notes.<br><br>To get a look at Craigslist's true value, one would have to make certain assumptions about its earnings power, which leads Blodget to conclude that it is a business with the potential to $750 million in revenue and $500 million of operating profit, giving it a valuation of $5 billion.<br><br>  <br>Related Links<br><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/daily-brief/2008/04/22/did-craigslist-dupe-ebay?TID=RelatedRSSFeed">Did Craigslist Dupe eBay?</a><br><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/culture-lifestyle/goods/gadgets/2008/02/19/The-Death-of-ReplayTV?TID=RelatedRSSFeed">ReplayTV</a><br><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/mixed-media/2008/01/28/idle-chatter-craigslist-nypd-blue-metro?TID=RelatedRSSFeed">Idle Chatter: Craigslist, 'NYPD Blue,' Metro...</a><br><br style="clear:both">
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Kijiji has reportedly grown to 10 percent the size of Craigslist in just six months.<br><br>&quot;The original agreement between the two parties always envisioned that there could be competitive activity,&quot; an eBay spokeswoman, Kim Rubey, told the Associated Press.<br><br>Months after Kijiji&#39;s start in the United States (it began in overseas markets in 2005), Craigslist&#39;s owners, Craig Newmark and Jim Buckmaster, &quot;engaged in clandestine transactions&quot; to dilute eBay&#39;s stake to 24.85 percent, and prevent it from nominating a new member to Craigslist&#39;s board, the suit says.<br><br>&quot;We are no longer comfortable having eBay as a shareholder, and wish to explore options for our repurchase, or for otherwise finding a new home for these shares,&quot; Buckmaster, Craigslist&#39;s chief executive, told <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/executive-profiles/13530?TID=rss%2Fexec">Meg Whitman</a>, the C.E.O. of eBay, in an email last July. <br><br>Whitman's response, according to the suit, was an offer to buy the entire company.<br><br>&quot;We would welcome the opportunity to acquire the remainder of [Craigslist] we do not already own whenever you [and Newmark] feel it would be appropriate,&quot; she wrote.<br><br>Speculation about a sale or initial public offering of Craigslist has periodically swelled in the wake of rich valuations given to YouTube after Google's $1.5 billion acquisition and to Facebook after Micosoft's investment in it. <br><br>Craigslist's top executives have consistently mocked such ambitions, expressing a complete lack of interest in cashing out. <br><br>The lawsuit cites an appearance by Newmark on <span>The Charlie Rose Show</span> just days before Whitman's overture. Nemark said that people are always asking Buckmaster how they are going to make more money. <br><br>&quot;And we say, &#39;hey, not interested.&#39; Because once you are living well, and maybe providing for your future, what&#39;s the point in more,&quot; Newmark said.<br><br>Henry Blodget on the Silicon Alley Insider website last month <a href="http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/4/craigslist_valuation_80_million_in_2008_revenue_worth_5_billion">estimated</a> that Craigslist has $80 million in annual revenue and $25 million in operating profit. But Craigslist is run like a nonprofit, he notes.<br><br>To get a look at Craigslist's true value, one would have to make certain assumptions about its earnings power, which leads Blodget to conclude that it is a business with the potential to $750 million in revenue and $500 million of operating profit, giving it a valuation of $5 billion.<br><br>  <br>Related Links<br><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/daily-brief/2008/04/22/did-craigslist-dupe-ebay?TID=RelatedRSSFeed">Did Craigslist Dupe eBay?</a><br><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/culture-lifestyle/goods/gadgets/2008/02/19/The-Death-of-ReplayTV?TID=RelatedRSSFeed">ReplayTV</a><br><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/mixed-media/2008/01/28/idle-chatter-craigslist-nypd-blue-metro?TID=RelatedRSSFeed">Idle Chatter: Craigslist, 'NYPD Blue,' Metro...</a><br><br style="clear:both">
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Preparing to move I'm selling stuff on <a href="http://www.gumtree.com">GumTree</a> which is UK based clone of  <a href="http://www.craigslist.org/">Craigslist</a> offering similar functionality but with Ads <img src="http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)">   </p>
<p>Similarly to Craigslist GumTree is <a href="http://www.mysql.com/why-mysql/scaleout/gumtree.html">powered by MySQL</a>  but unlike craigslist it looks like they are  shy in tuning their  MySQL Full Text Search index configuration and setting proper <strong>ft_min_word_len</strong> value.  Searching for <a href="http://www.gumtree.com/cgi-bin/list_postings.pl?posting_cat=62&amp;search_terms=Audi+A6&amp;min_price=&amp;max_price=">Audi A6</a> will give you a lot of Audi with different model numbers. Searching just for <a href="http://www.gumtree.com/cgi-bin/list_postings.pl?posting_cat=62&amp;search_terms=A6&amp;min_price=&amp;max_price=">A6</a> gives no results at all.   At the same time we can find <a href="http://www.gumtree.com/cgi-bin/list_postings.pl?posting_cat=62&amp;search_terms=V40&amp;min_price=&amp;max_price=">V40</a> which means <strong>ft_min_word_len</strong> was adjusted from default value of 4 which probably had even worse search quality to value 3. </p>
<p>CraigsList seems to be using value 2 because it is able to find <a href="http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=a6&amp;minAsk=min&amp;maxAsk=max">A6</a> but still fails to find data with 1 character keyword, say <a href="http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=mazda+3&amp;minAsk=min&amp;maxAsk=max">Mazda 3</a></p>
<p>Gumtree also seems to have another issue - as said on their web site when you post an item it takes up to 3-4 hours for items to become visible in search results.  I'm wondering if that is replication lag or issues with full text search index updates as I can't imagine this being user experience you would desire. </p>
<p>In general I think both of this sites have the same mistake (or shortcut) in MySQL Full Text Search configuration - relaying on minimum keyword length while their application has use cases when search for short keywords make sense.   </p>
<p>It is much more reasonable to look at frequencies at keywords not their length and if you happen to have some very frequent keywords you can't afford to index for performance or search quality reasons you better analyze word frequencies and build stop word list which matches your application.  For example A6 unlikely needs to be stop word even if it is short while IN surely needs to be.  Besides general terms as in you may have your application specific stop words such as com or html.</p>
<p>In general performance should be the only thing which forces you to have stop word, as you can see Google for example has none, even searching for <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;q=a+&amp;btnG=Search&amp;meta=">a</a> gives some results (Though of course google takes other kinds of shortcuts) This however is frequently not the case with MySQL Full Text Search which both will skip to frequent keywords in natural language search and  because it is using frequency ranking  indexing too frequent keywords can add noise and actually get relevance worse.</p>
<p>Looking at alternative solution, which we're often using  with MySQL - <a href="http://www.sphinxsearch.com">Sphinx Search</a>  we still tend to use stop word list for performance reasons, but it is normally good enough to keep it very short.  Plus as in new versions you can set the time limit on query execution it is rather safe to search a very complex query and just get partial results if it can't complete in time.     From Relevance standpoint stop words  rarely cause problems with sphinx because it uses word position based ranking not just frequency based ranking by default which means  if you're searching for a the  the documents which contain this strange phrase will be ranked on top rather than those which just contain a lot of a and a lot of the articles.</p>
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<p>Similarly to Craigslist GumTree is <a href="http://www.mysql.com/why-mysql/scaleout/gumtree.html">powered by MySQL</a>  but unlike craigslist it looks like they are  shy in tuning their  MySQL Full Text Search index configuration and setting proper <strong>ft_min_word_len</strong> value.  Searching for <a href="http://www.gumtree.com/cgi-bin/list_postings.pl?posting_cat=62&amp;search_terms=Audi+A6&amp;min_price=&amp;max_price=">Audi A6</a> will give you a lot of Audi with different model numbers. Searching just for <a href="http://www.gumtree.com/cgi-bin/list_postings.pl?posting_cat=62&amp;search_terms=A6&amp;min_price=&amp;max_price=">A6</a> gives no results at all.   At the same time we can find <a href="http://www.gumtree.com/cgi-bin/list_postings.pl?posting_cat=62&amp;search_terms=V40&amp;min_price=&amp;max_price=">V40</a> which means <strong>ft_min_word_len</strong> was adjusted from default value of 4 which probably had even worse search quality to value 3. </p>
<p>CraigsList seems to be using value 2 because it is able to find <a href="http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=a6&amp;minAsk=min&amp;maxAsk=max">A6</a> but still fails to find data with 1 character keyword, say <a href="http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=mazda+3&amp;minAsk=min&amp;maxAsk=max">Mazda 3</a></p>
<p>Gumtree also seems to have another issue - as said on their web site when you post an item it takes up to 3-4 hours for items to become visible in search results.  I'm wondering if that is replication lag or issues with full text search index updates as I can't imagine this being user experience you would desire. </p>
<p>In general I think both of this sites have the same mistake (or shortcut) in MySQL Full Text Search configuration - relaying on minimum keyword length while their application has use cases when search for short keywords make sense.   </p>
<p>It is much more reasonable to look at frequencies at keywords not their length and if you happen to have some very frequent keywords you can't afford to index for performance or search quality reasons you better analyze word frequencies and build stop word list which matches your application.  For example A6 unlikely needs to be stop word even if it is short while IN surely needs to be.  Besides general terms as in you may have your application specific stop words such as com or html.</p>
<p>In general performance should be the only thing which forces you to have stop word, as you can see Google for example has none, even searching for <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;q=a+&amp;btnG=Search&amp;meta=">a</a> gives some results (Though of course google takes other kinds of shortcuts) This however is frequently not the case with MySQL Full Text Search which both will skip to frequent keywords in natural language search and  because it is using frequency ranking  indexing too frequent keywords can add noise and actually get relevance worse.</p>
<p>Looking at alternative solution, which we're often using  with MySQL - <a href="http://www.sphinxsearch.com">Sphinx Search</a>  we still tend to use stop word list for performance reasons, but it is normally good enough to keep it very short.  Plus as in new versions you can set the time limit on query execution it is rather safe to search a very complex query and just get partial results if it can't complete in time.     From Relevance standpoint stop words  rarely cause problems with sphinx because it uses word position based ranking not just frequency based ranking by default which means  if you're searching for a the  the documents which contain this strange phrase will be ranked on top rather than those which just contain a lot of a and a lot of the articles.</p>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Matthew Sherbourne saw my posts about the <a href="http://www.caroline-middlebrook.com/blog/niche-sites-wp/">ebook I have written</a> and very kindly offered to send me a free review copy of his own ebook - all about writing ebooks! Of course I jumped at the chance. I really enjoyed the book so this review is quite long!</p>
<h2>Instant Money Reports</h2>
<p>The book is called <a href="https://paydotcom.com/r/21987/cmiddlebrook/2247544/">Instant Money Reports</a> and sells for $37. It has one of those annoying long sales letters which I dislike but as Matthew kindly sent me the book directly, I didn't have to read any of it :-)</p>
<p>I did flick through it however and I must say I think the sales letter itself is a little vague. He emphasises a wealth-creating system but almost mentions the reports' part as an afterthought - it would be easy to miss. I think he would be better off clarifying that this is all about writing reports for profit and talk less about a generic wealth system'.</p>
<p>The reason I say this is that there are many ways of making money online but writing is not for everybody. There are a ton of people out there for whom English is not a first language or they simply find it hard to write. So this is not necessarily a great option if you are one of those people, where as affiliate marketing may be better for example.</p>
<h2>Content of the Book</h2>
<p>It is a standard PDF-ebook, weighing in at 89 pages, and split into four major sections:</p>
<ol>
<li>Your Report Topic</li>
<li>Gathering Information</li>
<li>Your Info-Product</li>
<li>Make Money</li>
</ol>
<p>With a fairly long ebook such as this you are not likely to read it in one sitting so it would have been nice if PDF bookmarks had been inserted. You can see these in action in my own WordPress ebook.</p>
<p>Technical niggles aside, I'll now review the actual content of the book itself:</p>
<h2>Part 1 - Your Report Topic</h2>
<p>Matthew goes into quite a bit of detail about picking a topic for your reports. He describes the various kinds of topics and the way they tend to generate income (an initial rush vs a steady stream for example) and explains when to use the various kinds of topics.</p>
<p>There is a strong focus on profitability within this ebook. Matthew is touting report writing as a standalone business and encourages you to think about how you can branch out within a niche and eventually dominate it so that you can be regarded as an expert within the niche. This is something I did not really think of with my own ebook - I just got an idea and went with it on the spur of the moment.</p>
<p>He also identifies key ingredients that are necessary in any report, such as popularity and goes into depth to help you ascertain if your chosen topic has these ingredients. This is basically the research phase of your ebook - get it wrong and you may be doing a lot of work for nothing so it's nice to see this area covered in such detail. For instance, recall how recently I did a <a href="http://www.caroline-middlebrook.com/blog/case-study-of-a-niche-wordpress-site/">case study of a niche site</a> and I pointed out that perhaps the site would not get much traffic due to a poor choice of topic.</p>
<p>At the end of this section there are some practical tests for you to run against your chosen report topic for you to determine whether or not it is a viable one. This is a nice touch which encourages the reader to actually DO something with the information in the book rather than just reading it and then forgetting about it.</p>
<p><a href="https://paydotcom.com/r/21987/cmiddlebrook/2247544/">Click here to buy Instant Money Reports for $37</a></p>
<h2>Part 2 - Gathering Information</h2>
<p>I think one of the golden rules to selling anything online is giving people what they actually want as opposed to what you think they need. I've had this message drummed into me a lot recently as I was being told the same thing for the <a href="http://teachingsells.com?ref=12c101bc">Teaching Sells</a> course that I am working through.</p>
<p>This section of the book gives workable methods for figuring out exactly what it is that your market wants rather than you having to resort to guesswork. This again is something I simply didn't do with my own ebook.</p>
<p>What I also like about this section is that the methods in here can be applied to all sorts of things such as what to write about on your blog for example, and is not just applicable to writing ebooks. I'm also going to use these methods to determine exactly what to teach in the course I am developing for <a href="http://teachingsells.com?ref=12c101bc">Teaching Sells</a>. I really need to do a blog post about that shortly</p>
<p>Once you have figured out what the market wants, Matthew suggests that it is then your job to answer the biggest questions that they have. At this point I think many people can fall over. You see the Internet is full of information - we have an information overload and in all honesty an Internet savvy person could probably find the answer to any question they have absolutely free starting with Google.</p>
<p>So of course some people believe that because the information is freely available that nobody will pay for it. Not true! Most people don't have time to wade through all the information, to weed out the crap - and that's where you (and me) come in. The average surfer can't be bothered to look for it all himself.</p>
<p>What Matthew does in this book is show exactly where to find the information you need to answer the questions being asked by your target market. If research is not your strong point it will be after reading this chapter! I thought I was pretty wise when it comes to the Internet but there is a ton of resources in this chapter that I had never heard of before.</p>
<p><a href="https://paydotcom.com/r/21987/cmiddlebrook/2247544/">Click here to buy Instant Money Reports for $37</a></p>
<h2>Part 3 - Your Info-Product</h2>
<p>This section of the book is all about the physical production of your report. Matthew starts by giving some practical advice on the organisation of the body of the report, ways of dealing with writers block and so on.</p>
<p>He also covers how to write a proper introduction for the report, the conclusion, and various finishing touches such as copyright and disclaimers.</p>
<p>This section also discusses how to increase the perceived value of your ebook and additional monetization via affiliate links.</p>
<p>Next up we have the packaging - how to actually turn your report into downloadable PDF file and then how to grant usage rights to the users. This is something I did not consider with my ebook but as a free offering it is not so important. However, it is very important if you intend to sell your report and Matthew goes into great detail about licensing.</p>
<h2>Part 4 - Make Money</h2>
<p>This part starts of with the sales message that accompanies your report so it is really lessons in sales copy. For example, apparently its very bad to use the word buy' in your sales copy which is just what I have done within this review, oops!</p>
<p>There is a lot of information here about appealing to the emotional needs of your audience - giving them what they want rather than what they need. I skimmed over a lot of this stuff as I'm not really likely to be creating long sales letters anytime soon.</p>
<p>I was far more interested in the practical aspects of setting up a secure download page. One of the services that Matthew recommends is called <a href="http://www.e-junkie.com/">E-Junkie</a> which is spooky because they just so happened to take out an ad with me today!  He also explains how to provide instant delivery of your report even if you do not have your own website or blog.</p>
<p>The very last section in this ebook is the most valuable to me - here Matthew shows exactly how to market your report on popular forums such as the Warrior Forum which just happens to be one of the action points that I had in my <a href="http://www.caroline-middlebrook.com/blog/ebook-project/">project page for my ebook</a>. My problem is that I find the Warrior Forum intimidating and you only get one chance to promote something so of course I don't want to screw it up! The information in this ebook is brilliant here.</p>
<p>As well as forums, he also discusses ebay (another one of my marketing todo's!), something called Lulu which I had never heard of, classified ad sites such as Craigslist, and again, lots more that I didn't know about. I will be re-reading part 4 of this book several times over the next couple of weeks as I continue with my ebook marketing.</p>
<p><a href="https://paydotcom.com/r/21987/cmiddlebrook/2247544/">Click here to buy Instant Money Reports for $37</a></p>
<h2>Action Points to Take Away</h2>
<p>I really should have read this book a couple of months back before I started on my own ebook project. The problem is that it was just a spur of the moment idea and I wanted to run with it while the enthusiasm was there. To be honest, it's been out for quite a few weeks now and has already been updated so many times that I don't think there is much point in applying what I have learned here to my current ebook. So instead, I will take these action points and apply them to my next one:</p>
<ul>
<li>Do better research to determine a good topic - look at profitability potential</li>
<li>Find out exactly what the market wants to know rather than assuming that I know what they want to read</li>
<li>Research online sources of information rather than just relying on my own knowledge which may be flawed.</li>
<li>Add polish to the content thereby increasing perceived value</li>
<li>Put more effort into crafting a good title for the book</li>
<li>Write a proper copyright and disclaimer section</li>
<li>Fully investigate the security options when turning into a PDF file</li>
<li>Provide a secure downloadable paid ebook and not just a feebie next time!</li>
<li>Sell the book in forums such as the Warrior Forum</li>
<li>Sell the book on eBay</li>
<li>Sell the book on classified ad sites</li>
</ul>
<h2>Conclusion</h2>
<p>I was given the book free but if I had paid $37 for it I would be very happy. My favourite part was the last one all about how to market the book and make the most money from it. I didn't much like the stuff about the sales page but that's just me, and not because it's bad information.</p>
<p>I suppose I should also mention the extras. The book has some bonus reports such as a 26-page guide to cashing in on Craigslist which looks interesting and there is a toolbox' which is basically a PDF with lots of worksheets, diagrams etc to help you clarify your thoughts. This toolbox is referred to throughout the text of the ebook.</p>
<p>There is also a 30 day money back guarantee, as you would expect these days :-)</p>
<p>With my current ebook the main revenue stream is an affiliate link to my hosting company <a href="http://www.bluehost.com/track/cmiddlebrook/">Bluehost</a> which pays out $65 per referral. Obviously just a single extra sale that comes from the information in Matthews book would pay for the book almost twice over.</p>
<p>Over the next few weeks I plan to do a lot more marketing of my ebook (as well as work on some other projects) and I will certainly be referring back to part 4 of <a href="https://paydotcom.com/r/21987/cmiddlebrook/2247544/">Instant Money Reports</a> to make sure I get it right.</p>
<p>I am an affiliate for this ebook so obviously I want you guys to go out and buy it but I really do recommend this one, there is so much information in it that I simply didn't know and it is written in an extremely practical way so that it can actually be applied.</p>
<p><a href="https://paydotcom.com/r/21987/cmiddlebrook/2247544/">Click here to buy Instant Money Reports for $37</a></p>

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<h2>Instant Money Reports</h2>
<p>The book is called <a href="https://paydotcom.com/r/21987/cmiddlebrook/2247544/">Instant Money Reports</a> and sells for $37. It has one of those annoying long sales letters which I dislike but as Matthew kindly sent me the book directly, I didn't have to read any of it :-)</p>
<p>I did flick through it however and I must say I think the sales letter itself is a little vague. He emphasises a wealth-creating system but almost mentions the reports' part as an afterthought - it would be easy to miss. I think he would be better off clarifying that this is all about writing reports for profit and talk less about a generic wealth system'.</p>
<p>The reason I say this is that there are many ways of making money online but writing is not for everybody. There are a ton of people out there for whom English is not a first language or they simply find it hard to write. So this is not necessarily a great option if you are one of those people, where as affiliate marketing may be better for example.</p>
<h2>Content of the Book</h2>
<p>It is a standard PDF-ebook, weighing in at 89 pages, and split into four major sections:</p>
<ol>
<li>Your Report Topic</li>
<li>Gathering Information</li>
<li>Your Info-Product</li>
<li>Make Money</li>
</ol>
<p>With a fairly long ebook such as this you are not likely to read it in one sitting so it would have been nice if PDF bookmarks had been inserted. You can see these in action in my own WordPress ebook.</p>
<p>Technical niggles aside, I'll now review the actual content of the book itself:</p>
<h2>Part 1 - Your Report Topic</h2>
<p>Matthew goes into quite a bit of detail about picking a topic for your reports. He describes the various kinds of topics and the way they tend to generate income (an initial rush vs a steady stream for example) and explains when to use the various kinds of topics.</p>
<p>There is a strong focus on profitability within this ebook. Matthew is touting report writing as a standalone business and encourages you to think about how you can branch out within a niche and eventually dominate it so that you can be regarded as an expert within the niche. This is something I did not really think of with my own ebook - I just got an idea and went with it on the spur of the moment.</p>
<p>He also identifies key ingredients that are necessary in any report, such as popularity and goes into depth to help you ascertain if your chosen topic has these ingredients. This is basically the research phase of your ebook - get it wrong and you may be doing a lot of work for nothing so it's nice to see this area covered in such detail. For instance, recall how recently I did a <a href="http://www.caroline-middlebrook.com/blog/case-study-of-a-niche-wordpress-site/">case study of a niche site</a> and I pointed out that perhaps the site would not get much traffic due to a poor choice of topic.</p>
<p>At the end of this section there are some practical tests for you to run against your chosen report topic for you to determine whether or not it is a viable one. This is a nice touch which encourages the reader to actually DO something with the information in the book rather than just reading it and then forgetting about it.</p>
<p><a href="https://paydotcom.com/r/21987/cmiddlebrook/2247544/">Click here to buy Instant Money Reports for $37</a></p>
<h2>Part 2 - Gathering Information</h2>
<p>I think one of the golden rules to selling anything online is giving people what they actually want as opposed to what you think they need. I've had this message drummed into me a lot recently as I was being told the same thing for the <a href="http://teachingsells.com?ref=12c101bc">Teaching Sells</a> course that I am working through.</p>
<p>This section of the book gives workable methods for figuring out exactly what it is that your market wants rather than you having to resort to guesswork. This again is something I simply didn't do with my own ebook.</p>
<p>What I also like about this section is that the methods in here can be applied to all sorts of things such as what to write about on your blog for example, and is not just applicable to writing ebooks. I'm also going to use these methods to determine exactly what to teach in the course I am developing for <a href="http://teachingsells.com?ref=12c101bc">Teaching Sells</a>. I really need to do a blog post about that shortly</p>
<p>Once you have figured out what the market wants, Matthew suggests that it is then your job to answer the biggest questions that they have. At this point I think many people can fall over. You see the Internet is full of information - we have an information overload and in all honesty an Internet savvy person could probably find the answer to any question they have absolutely free starting with Google.</p>
<p>So of course some people believe that because the information is freely available that nobody will pay for it. Not true! Most people don't have time to wade through all the information, to weed out the crap - and that's where you (and me) come in. The average surfer can't be bothered to look for it all himself.</p>
<p>What Matthew does in this book is show exactly where to find the information you need to answer the questions being asked by your target market. If research is not your strong point it will be after reading this chapter! I thought I was pretty wise when it comes to the Internet but there is a ton of resources in this chapter that I had never heard of before.</p>
<p><a href="https://paydotcom.com/r/21987/cmiddlebrook/2247544/">Click here to buy Instant Money Reports for $37</a></p>
<h2>Part 3 - Your Info-Product</h2>
<p>This section of the book is all about the physical production of your report. Matthew starts by giving some practical advice on the organisation of the body of the report, ways of dealing with writers block and so on.</p>
<p>He also covers how to write a proper introduction for the report, the conclusion, and various finishing touches such as copyright and disclaimers.</p>
<p>This section also discusses how to increase the perceived value of your ebook and additional monetization via affiliate links.</p>
<p>Next up we have the packaging - how to actually turn your report into downloadable PDF file and then how to grant usage rights to the users. This is something I did not consider with my ebook but as a free offering it is not so important. However, it is very important if you intend to sell your report and Matthew goes into great detail about licensing.</p>
<h2>Part 4 - Make Money</h2>
<p>This part starts of with the sales message that accompanies your report so it is really lessons in sales copy. For example, apparently its very bad to use the word buy' in your sales copy which is just what I have done within this review, oops!</p>
<p>There is a lot of information here about appealing to the emotional needs of your audience - giving them what they want rather than what they need. I skimmed over a lot of this stuff as I'm not really likely to be creating long sales letters anytime soon.</p>
<p>I was far more interested in the practical aspects of setting up a secure download page. One of the services that Matthew recommends is called <a href="http://www.e-junkie.com/">E-Junkie</a> which is spooky because they just so happened to take out an ad with me today!  He also explains how to provide instant delivery of your report even if you do not have your own website or blog.</p>
<p>The very last section in this ebook is the most valuable to me - here Matthew shows exactly how to market your report on popular forums such as the Warrior Forum which just happens to be one of the action points that I had in my <a href="http://www.caroline-middlebrook.com/blog/ebook-project/">project page for my ebook</a>. My problem is that I find the Warrior Forum intimidating and you only get one chance to promote something so of course I don't want to screw it up! The information in this ebook is brilliant here.</p>
<p>As well as forums, he also discusses ebay (another one of my marketing todo's!), something called Lulu which I had never heard of, classified ad sites such as Craigslist, and again, lots more that I didn't know about. I will be re-reading part 4 of this book several times over the next couple of weeks as I continue with my ebook marketing.</p>
<p><a href="https://paydotcom.com/r/21987/cmiddlebrook/2247544/">Click here to buy Instant Money Reports for $37</a></p>
<h2>Action Points to Take Away</h2>
<p>I really should have read this book a couple of months back before I started on my own ebook project. The problem is that it was just a spur of the moment idea and I wanted to run with it while the enthusiasm was there. To be honest, it's been out for quite a few weeks now and has already been updated so many times that I don't think there is much point in applying what I have learned here to my current ebook. So instead, I will take these action points and apply them to my next one:</p>
<ul>
<li>Do better research to determine a good topic - look at profitability potential</li>
<li>Find out exactly what the market wants to know rather than assuming that I know what they want to read</li>
<li>Research online sources of information rather than just relying on my own knowledge which may be flawed.</li>
<li>Add polish to the content thereby increasing perceived value</li>
<li>Put more effort into crafting a good title for the book</li>
<li>Write a proper copyright and disclaimer section</li>
<li>Fully investigate the security options when turning into a PDF file</li>
<li>Provide a secure downloadable paid ebook and not just a feebie next time!</li>
<li>Sell the book in forums such as the Warrior Forum</li>
<li>Sell the book on eBay</li>
<li>Sell the book on classified ad sites</li>
</ul>
<h2>Conclusion</h2>
<p>I was given the book free but if I had paid $37 for it I would be very happy. My favourite part was the last one all about how to market the book and make the most money from it. I didn't much like the stuff about the sales page but that's just me, and not because it's bad information.</p>
<p>I suppose I should also mention the extras. The book has some bonus reports such as a 26-page guide to cashing in on Craigslist which looks interesting and there is a toolbox' which is basically a PDF with lots of worksheets, diagrams etc to help you clarify your thoughts. This toolbox is referred to throughout the text of the ebook.</p>
<p>There is also a 30 day money back guarantee, as you would expect these days :-)</p>
<p>With my current ebook the main revenue stream is an affiliate link to my hosting company <a href="http://www.bluehost.com/track/cmiddlebrook/">Bluehost</a> which pays out $65 per referral. Obviously just a single extra sale that comes from the information in Matthews book would pay for the book almost twice over.</p>
<p>Over the next few weeks I plan to do a lot more marketing of my ebook (as well as work on some other projects) and I will certainly be referring back to part 4 of <a href="https://paydotcom.com/r/21987/cmiddlebrook/2247544/">Instant Money Reports</a> to make sure I get it right.</p>
<p>I am an affiliate for this ebook so obviously I want you guys to go out and buy it but I really do recommend this one, there is so much information in it that I simply didn't know and it is written in an extremely practical way so that it can actually be applied.</p>
<p><a href="https://paydotcom.com/r/21987/cmiddlebrook/2247544/">Click here to buy Instant Money Reports for $37</a></p>

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			<description><![CDATA[With the entertainment industry's new <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080121/13395424.shtml">push</a> to force ISPs to somehow filter or block the transfer of any kind of copyrighted material, Charles Arthur is wondering why other industries facing massive business model challenges <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jan/25/music.filesharing?gusrc=rss&amp;feed=technology">can't do the same thing</a>?  Newspapers, as has been well documented, are facing challenges from the likes of <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20041227/0037220_F.shtml">Craigslist</a> and <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070530/002022.shtml">Google</a> -- so why not have ISPs block those sites?  And plenty of people are discussing news articles, even to the point of copying-and-pasting articles.  Clearly, ISPs should be protecting the newspaper industry.  But that's not all.  Arthur points to some other industries that ISPs should help protect, such as auto mechanics and needlepoint pattern makers -- both of whom have faced market changes thanks to the internet.  If only ISPs would block the sharing of information on how to fix your own car or how to create needlepoints -- both of those important industries could be protected.  Or, as Arthur concludes, perhaps all of these industries could adapt to the changing market.  But what are the chances of that happening? 
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Famesource founders Allen Vartazarian and Anthony Zanontian are the wantrepreneurs behind <a href="http://valleywag.com/338634/social-network-hiring-fake-indian-customers">the Craigslist ad offering to pay Indian workers 10 cents per signup to their site</a>, a tipster tells us. Sure, it's pretty scammy, but if Vartazarian and Zanontian are really buying users, we can hardly blame them. Investors today overvalue eyeballs, and tend not to question where they come from. And Famesource needs users for another reason: It promises to connect wannabe celebrities with an audience of worshippers. Never mind that the fans are being purchased in Bangalore for a dime apiece. So how's the scheme working for them?</p><p><a href="http://siteanalytics.compete.com/famesource.com?metric=uv"><img src="http://home.compete.com.edgesuite.net/famesource.com_uv_460.png"></a></p>

<p>Maybe it's time to up the bid? 12 cents, anyone? While you ponder which price is right, here's an interview with Famesource's Vartazarian:<br>
<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/xJDjN1Lp7Lo&amp;rel=1" width="425" height="355" allowScriptAccess="never"></embed></p>

<p>And an ad for Famesource:<br>
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Famesource founders Allen Vartazarian and Anthony Zanontian are the wantrepreneurs behind <a href="http://valleywag.com/338634/social-network-hiring-fake-indian-customers">the Craigslist ad offering to pay Indian workers 10 cents per signup to their site</a>, a tipster tells us. Sure, it's pretty scammy, but if Vartazarian and Zanontian are really buying users, we can hardly blame them. Investors today overvalue eyeballs, and tend not to question where they come from. And Famesource needs users for another reason: It promises to connect wannabe celebrities with an audience of worshippers. Never mind that the fans are being purchased in Bangalore for a dime apiece. So how's the scheme working for them?</p><p><a href="http://siteanalytics.compete.com/famesource.com?metric=uv"><img src="http://home.compete.com.edgesuite.net/famesource.com_uv_460.png"></a></p>

<p>Maybe it's time to up the bid? 12 cents, anyone? While you ponder which price is right, here's an interview with Famesource's Vartazarian:<br>
<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/xJDjN1Lp7Lo&amp;rel=1" width="425" height="355" allowScriptAccess="never"></embed></p>

<p>And an ad for Famesource:<br>
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         <title>The Economics of TV Advertising</title>
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Holly Sanders has found <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/12242007/business/ad__subtract_798111.htm">a TV paradox</a>: as ratings fall, ad rates rise. Specifically, ad rates in both the fourth quarter and the first quarter are running 18% above their previous-year levels, even as ratings are 14% lower than they were a year ago. Sanders explains:
</p><blockquote>
Although it seems counterintuitive, it's the law of supply and demand. As the TV audience shrinks, advertisers have to buy more ads to reach their target number of viewers. But that increased demand for ad slots creates scarcity, which in turn leads to rate hikes.
</blockquote><p>
But if you read closely, it turns out that ad prices haven't really increased by very much at all. Says Sanders:
</p><blockquote>
Advertisers use a measure known as cpm, or the cost to reach each 1,000 viewers, on which to base advertising rates.
</blockquote><p>
If you're basing your advertising rates on cpm, then prices will naturally rise as ratings fall: it's got nothing to do with supply and demand at all. Simply keeping the cost of a 30-second slot constant in dollar terms would equate to a rise of 16% in cpm terms if ratings fall by 14%. If the cost of a slot merely goes up in line with inflation, then that's your 18% cpm rate hike right there.
</p><p>
In other words, what Sanders has discovered is not the price of ad slots going up, it's just the price of ad slots staying constant, even as the number of viewers they reach goes down.
</p><p>
This doesn&#39;t actually surprise me. Network TV is the last mass medium, and certain advertisers, like Procter &amp; Gamble or McDonald&#39;s, <em>need</em> a mass medium for their ads. <a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/24/silly-advertisers/">Jeff Jarvis</a> says that they should "work a little harder and move past the one-stop-shopping of TV and upfront to put together networks online" - but the fact is that we're still a very, very, very long way from the point at which a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_moving_consumer_goods">FMCG</a> manufacturer can achieve the requisite level of brand awareness with any kind of online campaign, no matter how expensive.
</p><p>
On a cpm basis, then, I reckon TV ad rates are going to continue to rise for the foreseeable future. In turn, that will be good for newspapers and websites, whose ad rates will look increasingly attractive in comparison. Everybody wins - except, maybe, the advertisers.
</p>Related Links<br><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/the-tech-observer/2007/05/15/how-newspapers-could-beat-craigslist-though-they-wont-do-it?TID=RelatedRSSFeed">How Newspapers Could Beat Craigslist, Though They Won't Do It</a><br><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/the-hollywood-deal/2007/05/30/future-plans-for-nbcs-new-duo?TID=RelatedRSSFeed">Future Plans for NBC's New Duo</a><br><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/the-hollywood-deal/2007/07/03/which-candidate-is-leading-with-small-screen-spending?TID=RelatedRSSFeed">Which Candidate Is Leading With Small-Screen Spending?</a><br><br style="clear:both">
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Holly Sanders has found <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/12242007/business/ad__subtract_798111.htm">a TV paradox</a>: as ratings fall, ad rates rise. Specifically, ad rates in both the fourth quarter and the first quarter are running 18% above their previous-year levels, even as ratings are 14% lower than they were a year ago. Sanders explains:
</p><blockquote>
Although it seems counterintuitive, it's the law of supply and demand. As the TV audience shrinks, advertisers have to buy more ads to reach their target number of viewers. But that increased demand for ad slots creates scarcity, which in turn leads to rate hikes.
</blockquote><p>
But if you read closely, it turns out that ad prices haven't really increased by very much at all. Says Sanders:
</p><blockquote>
Advertisers use a measure known as cpm, or the cost to reach each 1,000 viewers, on which to base advertising rates.
</blockquote><p>
If you're basing your advertising rates on cpm, then prices will naturally rise as ratings fall: it's got nothing to do with supply and demand at all. Simply keeping the cost of a 30-second slot constant in dollar terms would equate to a rise of 16% in cpm terms if ratings fall by 14%. If the cost of a slot merely goes up in line with inflation, then that's your 18% cpm rate hike right there.
</p><p>
In other words, what Sanders has discovered is not the price of ad slots going up, it's just the price of ad slots staying constant, even as the number of viewers they reach goes down.
</p><p>
This doesn&#39;t actually surprise me. Network TV is the last mass medium, and certain advertisers, like Procter &amp; Gamble or McDonald&#39;s, <em>need</em> a mass medium for their ads. <a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/24/silly-advertisers/">Jeff Jarvis</a> says that they should "work a little harder and move past the one-stop-shopping of TV and upfront to put together networks online" - but the fact is that we're still a very, very, very long way from the point at which a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_moving_consumer_goods">FMCG</a> manufacturer can achieve the requisite level of brand awareness with any kind of online campaign, no matter how expensive.
</p><p>
On a cpm basis, then, I reckon TV ad rates are going to continue to rise for the foreseeable future. In turn, that will be good for newspapers and websites, whose ad rates will look increasingly attractive in comparison. Everybody wins - except, maybe, the advertisers.
</p>Related Links<br><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/the-tech-observer/2007/05/15/how-newspapers-could-beat-craigslist-though-they-wont-do-it?TID=RelatedRSSFeed">How Newspapers Could Beat Craigslist, Though They Won't Do It</a><br><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/the-hollywood-deal/2007/05/30/future-plans-for-nbcs-new-duo?TID=RelatedRSSFeed">Future Plans for NBC's New Duo</a><br><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/the-hollywood-deal/2007/07/03/which-candidate-is-leading-with-small-screen-spending?TID=RelatedRSSFeed">Which Candidate Is Leading With Small-Screen Spending?</a><br><br style="clear:both">
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         <pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:00:42 -0500</pubDate>         <guid isPermaLink="false">tag:croncast.com,2189</guid>

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         <title>Five Media Trends in 2008</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<span>I</span>t's a disorienting time in the media business. Consumers can read newspapers on their mobile phones, watch TV shows on their iPods, and befriend advertisers in cyberspace. <br>           <br>           To help you get your bearings, we've identified five big-picture developments crucial to understanding the industry in 2008. <br>           <br>           <br>           <h3>An Advertising Recession?</h3><br>           <span>T</span>his is the subject weighing most heavily on the minds of media executives. &quot;It&#39;s certainly topic No. 1 around here,&quot; says Reed Phillips, managing partner of the investment bank <a href="http://www.mediabankers.com/">DeSilva &amp; Phillips</a>. <br>           <br>           A slew of recent forecasts have made it clear that a slowdown is already under way. The question is, how bad it will get in 2008? <br>           <br>           Robert Coen, senior vice president at <a href="http://www.universalmccann.com/">Universal McCann</a> and an influential forecaster of advertising trends, wrote in a <a href="http://www.mccann.com/pdf_opener.htm?pdfPath=/news/pdfs/Insiders12_07.pdf%20">recent report</a> that 2007 ad growth will fall &quot;considerably short&quot; of forecasts. And it&#39;s likely to slow further in 2008.<br>           <br>           The outlook would be even gloomier without the prospects of the Olympics and the presidential election, two traditionally rich sources of ads. The election alone represents a <a href="http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/media_agencies/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003676096">potential $2.5 billion windfall</a> for television and radio stations, says <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/executive-profiles/371345?TID=rss%2Fexec">Mark Edmiston</a>, managing director of <a href="http://www.admediapartners.com">AdMedia Partners</a>. <br>           <br>           To many, the recession question is less about how steep it will be tha<a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/ap/2007/11/29/sector-snap-newspaper-publishers-drop">n where it will be felt most</a>.<br>           <br>           Phillips says print outlets that have already been losing market share to the Webparticularly weekly news magazines and <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/ap/2007/12/05/newspapers-hope-for-online-growth-in-08">newspapers</a>will find their suffering increased. Glossy monthly magazines and others that compete less directly with the internet will fare better. <br>           <br>           The <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2007/11/05/Writers-Guild-Strikes-Hollywood">writers' strike</a> will hurt TV networks, which will be forced to broadcast reruns or pilots they had rejected. Cable networks, on the other hand, should benefit, as viewers channel surf for new shows and find cable programs they might otherwise have missed. <br>           <br>           An advertising recession, should one occur, would probably not hurt digital media. The explosive growth of ad networksfirms that place advertising on websiteswill make it easier for advertisers to spend money on the internet.<br>           <br>           &quot;It&#39;s going to bring fundamental changes to the architecture of the advertising business,&quot; says Jeff Jarvis, a media consultant who writes about the industry on <a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com/">Buzzmachine.com</a>.  <span> </span><h3>Another New Ad Medium</h3>         <span>E</span>ven as established media worry about wrestling with the prospect of slower growth in 2008, they will also have to deal with more competition from a new class of competitor: the social networking sites.<br>           <br>           Assumptions about the potential of social networks as an ad medium, at least among some experts, can be gauged by <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2007/10/24/Microsoft-Expands-Facebook-Ties"></a><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/1252?TID=rss%2Fcompany">Microsoft</a>'s willingness to pay $240 million for just 1.6 percent of Facebook, the reigning social-networking champ. That sum implies that the privately held company's total worth is a staggering $15 billion. <br>           <br>           An initial effort to realize Facebook's potential as an ad medium, with <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2007/11/06/Facebook-Tries-to-Tap-the-Fansumer">an ad program called Beacon</a>, fell flat over <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2007/12/05/Facebooks-Mea-Culpa">users' privacy concerns</a>. It suggests that Facebook and its rivalswhether other multimillion-member sites like <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/2826?TID=rss%2Fcompany">News Corp.</a>&#39;s MySpace or small, narrowly focused networks like Woophy, which is for people interested in travel photographyhave to find a way to deliver ads tailored to their members&#39; interests <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2007/11/30/Facebook-to-Change-Ad-System">without appearing to spy on the members</a> themselves.<br>           <br>           &quot;There has to be a <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/ap/2007/12/09/startup-gets-ad-data-via-web-providers">trust factor</a> that people who go on these networks are not being compromised and that things not meant for general consumption are not being abused,&quot;  says <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/executive-profiles/667475?TID=rss%2Fexec">Brad Adgate</a>, a senior vice president and research director at <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/iw-cc/command/www.horizonmedia.com%20">Horizon Media</a>, the world's biggest privately owned media planning and buying firm. <br>           <br>    <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/executive-profiles/593102?TID=rss%2Fexec">Jim Nail</a>, chief marketing and strategy officer at <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/314882?TID=rss%2Fcompany">Cymfony</a>, a self-described market influence analytics company, says social networks will have to walk &quot;a very difficult tightrope&quot; in 2008.<br>           <br>           &quot;They clearly have to introduce advertising and marketing, because they have to have a revenue stream,&quot; notes Nail. &quot;But if they do it wrong they&#39;ll drive away their users. And, for the most part, advertisers will push them to do it wrong.&quot; <br>           <br>           In Nail's view, doing it right means giving users total control over how they want to interact with marketers. <br>           <br>          <br>           <h3>Watching the Audience</h3><br>           <span>I</span>t's hard to understand the stampede of advertising from old to new media without talking about the tremendous advantage that digital media have in <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/ap/2007/12/03/ad-targeting-improves-on-web-sites">measuring and defining their audience</a>. <br>           <br>           &quot;The level of detail companies in the digital sector can get down to about the visitors on their site is really impressive,&quot; says Phillips, the investment banker. &quot;It&#39;s hard for traditional media companies to provide that level of information.&quot;<br>           <br>           But it's getting easier. For the 2007-08 TV season, networks and advertisers agreed on a <a href="http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6492823.html%20">new ratings model</a>, called C3, which takes into account people who watch playbacks of programs on TiVos or other digital-video recorders. Previously, Nielsen ratings reflected only live viewership. <br>           <br><span> </span>           NBC has already gone further, becoming the first network to obtain second-by-second viewership data through a <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/local-news/losangeles/2007/11/27/nbc-universal-signs-advertising-data-deal-with-tivo">partnership</a> with <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/4338?TID=rss%2Fcompany">TiVo</a> and its Stop/Watch ratings service. Announcing the partnership in late November, TiVo chief executive <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/executive-profiles/32946?TID=rss%2Fexec">Tom Rogers</a> said it was &quot;a watershed moment for advertisers.&quot;<br>           <br>           Radio is poised to make an even bigger leap forward next year when Arbitron deploys its <a href="http://www.arbitron.com/portable_people_meters/home.htm%20">Personal People Meter</a> system. The meters are mobile-phone-size devices that a scientific sampling of consumers wear. They detect <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/ap/2007/12/05/arbitron-narrows-ratings-target">identification codes embedded in radio transmissions</a> to automatically record what stations consumers listen to, replacing unreliable written diaries used in the past. <br>           <br>           The magazine industry has also agreed to use technology to better measure and understand its audience. Since September, the <a href="http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003663682">three biggest</a> <a href="http://publications.mediapost.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.showArticle&amp;art_aid=69857">magazine companies</a><a href="http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003644422%20">Time Inc.</a>, <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/345547?TID=rss%2Fcompany">Hearst Corp.</a>, and <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/211492?TID=rss%2Fcompany">Cond Nast</a> (publisher of <em>Cond Nast Portfolio</em> and Portfolio.com)all agreed to join a new rapid-reporting system that provides circulation data in close to real time rather than just twice a year. <br>           <br>    Time Inc.also relented to a demand by advertisers to guarantee a minimum circulation for each issue rather than an average circulation for six months' worth of magazines. Given Time Inc.'s industry-leading status, other publishers are expected to follow suit. <br>           <br>           <br>           <h3>Information <em>Will</em> Be Free</h3>    <p><br>           <span>S</span>ince the dawn of the internet, &quot;content wants to be free&quot; has been the rallying cry of digital evangelists. But those who wanted to charge for content could always point to a shining example: the <em>Wall Street Journal</em>, with its 1 million online subscribers and $65 million in digital subscription revenue. <br>           <br>           That will all <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/daily-brief/2007/08/02/murdochs-digital-agenda">change in 2008</a>. Rupert Murdoch, whose <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/2826?TID=rss%2Fcompany">News Corp.</a> recently completed its <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2007/12/13/News-Corp-Dow-Jones-Deal-Done%20">$5 billion acquisition</a> of <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/499?TID=rss%2Fcompany">Dow Jones</a>, plans to set WSJ.com free, judging from several fairly <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/ap/2007/11/13/murdoch-says-wsj-web-site-to-drop-fees">unequivocal public pronouncements</a>. </p>       <p>Despite the short-term loss of subscription revenue, &quot;long term, it&#39;s kind of a slam dunk,&quot; says Mike Vorhaus, managing director at the consulting firm <a href="http://www.magid.com/%20">Frank N. Magid Associates</a>. The money that is made from selling ads that reach a much larger audience will <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/odd-numbers/2007/10/03/the-timesselect-effect">more than make up for losses</a>, he adds.  <br>           <br>           The <em>New York Times</em> had a similar epiphany in September, when it <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/mixed-media/2007/09/17/now-its-official-timesselect-is-history">shut down TimesSelect</a>, its premium content service.  But business news seemed to be one place where online subscriptions could still be sold successfully. <br>           <br>           The <em>Journal</em>'s move, however, will change the economics for competitors such as the <em>Financial Times</em>, which also charges a fee. &quot;If the <em>Wall Street Journal</em> goes free, I suspect [FT.com] will also do it,&quot; says John Morton, an independent newspaper-industry analyst in Silver Spring, Maryland.<br>           <br><span> </span>           Companies that provide data rather than news may perhaps be <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/reuters/2007/11/16/murdochs-free-wsjcom-could-hurt-parts-of-dow">more immune</a> to the live-free-or-die fever, but then again, they might not. <br>           <br>           ConsumerReports.org has been another success to date; just this month, it signed up its <a href="http://www.foliomag.com/2007/consumer-reports-surpasses-3-000-000-online-subscriptions">3 millionth paid subscriber</a>. But Jarvis predicts that free content will triumph eventually in that arena as well. <br>           <br>           &quot;Somebody&#39;s going to come along and pull a Craigslist on them,&quot; says Jarvis, referring to the listings site that has decimated newspapers&#39; classified sections. &quot;It&#39;s the kind of data you can get from your fellow customers.&quot;<br>           <br>           <br>           </p>    <h3>Time to Part Ways?</h3><br>           <span>T</span>his was the year <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/2079?TID=rss%2Fcompany">Time Warner</a> <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/market-movers/2007/10/23/extra-credit-tuesday-edition">stopped being the world's largest media company</a>, thanks to its comatose stock price. In 2008, Time Warner will probably cease being No. 2.<br>           <br>           Instead, it is likely to break itself up into several narrowly focused media companies: cable television in one, for example; magazines in another; digital media in a third; and movies and TV on their own. While current C.E.O. <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/executive-profiles/57991?TID=rss%2Fexec">Richard Parsons</a> pursued stability above all in his five-year tenure, his successor, <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/executive-profiles/98325?TID=rss%2Fexec">Jeff Bewkes</a>, is widely expected to make some <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2007/09/17/news/companies/twx_bewkes.fortune/index.htm%20">bolder moves</a>. <br>           <br>           Magid&#39;s Vorhaus said he believes that AOL, Time Warner&#39;s digital arm, has endeared itself to the parent corporation by reinventing itself as &quot;an advertising infrastructure, support, and delivery company.&quot; <br>           <br>           Phillips, meanwhile, predicts that Bewkes&#39; first move will be to sell IPC, the company&#39;s British magazine arm. After that, &quot;my guess is something will happen at <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/9907?TID=rss%2Fcompany">Time Warner Cable</a> first, and that Time Inc. is really a year away from evaluation,&quot; says Phillips. Bewkes will wait to see if Time Inc.&#39;s internet properties can build on the early success of their recent reorganization.<br>           <br>           Still another media analyst predicts radical change, including the spin off of Time Inc. as a &quot;quasi-public&quot; company, and the hiring of <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/4358?TID=rss%2Fcompany">Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia</a> C.E.O. <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/executive-profiles/25374?TID=rss%2Fexec">Susan Lyne</a> to run it, replacing the retiring <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/executive-profiles/180084?TID=rss%2Fexec">Ann Moore</a>. <br>           <br>           &quot;Bewkes has got to do something,&quot; says the analyst, who declined to be named. &quot;He&#39;s got to not be Dick Parsons, first of all. And he&#39;s had enough time to think about it.&quot;<br>           <br>           Related Links<br><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/mixed-media/2007/09/24/time-piece-is-time-inc-ready-for-a-spin-out?TID=RelatedRSSFeed">Time Piece: Is Time Inc. Ready for a Spin-Out?</a><br><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/mixed-media/2007/09/14/shuffling-for-the-sake-of-shuffling-at-time-inc?TID=RelatedRSSFeed">Shuffling for the Sake of Shuffling at Time Inc.</a><br><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2007/11/06/Facebook-Tries-to-Tap-the-Fansumer?TID=RelatedRSSFeed">Facebook Tries to Tap the 'Fansumer'</a><br><br style="clear:both">
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Consumers can read newspapers on their mobile phones, watch TV shows on their iPods, and befriend advertisers in cyberspace. <br>           <br>           To help you get your bearings, we've identified five big-picture developments crucial to understanding the industry in 2008. <br>           <br>           <br>           <h3>An Advertising Recession?</h3><br>           <span>T</span>his is the subject weighing most heavily on the minds of media executives. &quot;It&#39;s certainly topic No. 1 around here,&quot; says Reed Phillips, managing partner of the investment bank <a href="http://www.mediabankers.com/">DeSilva &amp; Phillips</a>. <br>           <br>           A slew of recent forecasts have made it clear that a slowdown is already under way. The question is, how bad it will get in 2008? <br>           <br>           Robert Coen, senior vice president at <a href="http://www.universalmccann.com/">Universal McCann</a> and an influential forecaster of advertising trends, wrote in a <a href="http://www.mccann.com/pdf_opener.htm?pdfPath=/news/pdfs/Insiders12_07.pdf%20">recent report</a> that 2007 ad growth will fall &quot;considerably short&quot; of forecasts. And it&#39;s likely to slow further in 2008.<br>           <br>           The outlook would be even gloomier without the prospects of the Olympics and the presidential election, two traditionally rich sources of ads. The election alone represents a <a href="http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/media_agencies/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003676096">potential $2.5 billion windfall</a> for television and radio stations, says <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/executive-profiles/371345?TID=rss%2Fexec">Mark Edmiston</a>, managing director of <a href="http://www.admediapartners.com">AdMedia Partners</a>. <br>           <br>           To many, the recession question is less about how steep it will be tha<a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/ap/2007/11/29/sector-snap-newspaper-publishers-drop">n where it will be felt most</a>.<br>           <br>           Phillips says print outlets that have already been losing market share to the Webparticularly weekly news magazines and <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/ap/2007/12/05/newspapers-hope-for-online-growth-in-08">newspapers</a>will find their suffering increased. Glossy monthly magazines and others that compete less directly with the internet will fare better. <br>           <br>           The <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2007/11/05/Writers-Guild-Strikes-Hollywood">writers' strike</a> will hurt TV networks, which will be forced to broadcast reruns or pilots they had rejected. Cable networks, on the other hand, should benefit, as viewers channel surf for new shows and find cable programs they might otherwise have missed. <br>           <br>           An advertising recession, should one occur, would probably not hurt digital media. The explosive growth of ad networksfirms that place advertising on websiteswill make it easier for advertisers to spend money on the internet.<br>           <br>           &quot;It&#39;s going to bring fundamental changes to the architecture of the advertising business,&quot; says Jeff Jarvis, a media consultant who writes about the industry on <a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com/">Buzzmachine.com</a>.  <span> </span><h3>Another New Ad Medium</h3>         <span>E</span>ven as established media worry about wrestling with the prospect of slower growth in 2008, they will also have to deal with more competition from a new class of competitor: the social networking sites.<br>           <br>           Assumptions about the potential of social networks as an ad medium, at least among some experts, can be gauged by <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2007/10/24/Microsoft-Expands-Facebook-Ties"></a><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/1252?TID=rss%2Fcompany">Microsoft</a>'s willingness to pay $240 million for just 1.6 percent of Facebook, the reigning social-networking champ. That sum implies that the privately held company's total worth is a staggering $15 billion. <br>           <br>           An initial effort to realize Facebook's potential as an ad medium, with <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2007/11/06/Facebook-Tries-to-Tap-the-Fansumer">an ad program called Beacon</a>, fell flat over <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2007/12/05/Facebooks-Mea-Culpa">users' privacy concerns</a>. It suggests that Facebook and its rivalswhether other multimillion-member sites like <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/2826?TID=rss%2Fcompany">News Corp.</a>&#39;s MySpace or small, narrowly focused networks like Woophy, which is for people interested in travel photographyhave to find a way to deliver ads tailored to their members&#39; interests <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2007/11/30/Facebook-to-Change-Ad-System">without appearing to spy on the members</a> themselves.<br>           <br>           &quot;There has to be a <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/ap/2007/12/09/startup-gets-ad-data-via-web-providers">trust factor</a> that people who go on these networks are not being compromised and that things not meant for general consumption are not being abused,&quot;  says <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/executive-profiles/667475?TID=rss%2Fexec">Brad Adgate</a>, a senior vice president and research director at <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/iw-cc/command/www.horizonmedia.com%20">Horizon Media</a>, the world's biggest privately owned media planning and buying firm. <br>           <br>    <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/executive-profiles/593102?TID=rss%2Fexec">Jim Nail</a>, chief marketing and strategy officer at <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/314882?TID=rss%2Fcompany">Cymfony</a>, a self-described market influence analytics company, says social networks will have to walk &quot;a very difficult tightrope&quot; in 2008.<br>           <br>           &quot;They clearly have to introduce advertising and marketing, because they have to have a revenue stream,&quot; notes Nail. &quot;But if they do it wrong they&#39;ll drive away their users. And, for the most part, advertisers will push them to do it wrong.&quot; <br>           <br>           In Nail's view, doing it right means giving users total control over how they want to interact with marketers. <br>           <br>          <br>           <h3>Watching the Audience</h3><br>           <span>I</span>t's hard to understand the stampede of advertising from old to new media without talking about the tremendous advantage that digital media have in <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/ap/2007/12/03/ad-targeting-improves-on-web-sites">measuring and defining their audience</a>. <br>           <br>           &quot;The level of detail companies in the digital sector can get down to about the visitors on their site is really impressive,&quot; says Phillips, the investment banker. &quot;It&#39;s hard for traditional media companies to provide that level of information.&quot;<br>           <br>           But it's getting easier. For the 2007-08 TV season, networks and advertisers agreed on a <a href="http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6492823.html%20">new ratings model</a>, called C3, which takes into account people who watch playbacks of programs on TiVos or other digital-video recorders. Previously, Nielsen ratings reflected only live viewership. <br>           <br><span> </span>           NBC has already gone further, becoming the first network to obtain second-by-second viewership data through a <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/local-news/losangeles/2007/11/27/nbc-universal-signs-advertising-data-deal-with-tivo">partnership</a> with <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/4338?TID=rss%2Fcompany">TiVo</a> and its Stop/Watch ratings service. Announcing the partnership in late November, TiVo chief executive <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/executive-profiles/32946?TID=rss%2Fexec">Tom Rogers</a> said it was &quot;a watershed moment for advertisers.&quot;<br>           <br>           Radio is poised to make an even bigger leap forward next year when Arbitron deploys its <a href="http://www.arbitron.com/portable_people_meters/home.htm%20">Personal People Meter</a> system. The meters are mobile-phone-size devices that a scientific sampling of consumers wear. They detect <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/ap/2007/12/05/arbitron-narrows-ratings-target">identification codes embedded in radio transmissions</a> to automatically record what stations consumers listen to, replacing unreliable written diaries used in the past. <br>           <br>           The magazine industry has also agreed to use technology to better measure and understand its audience. Since September, the <a href="http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003663682">three biggest</a> <a href="http://publications.mediapost.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.showArticle&amp;art_aid=69857">magazine companies</a><a href="http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003644422%20">Time Inc.</a>, <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/345547?TID=rss%2Fcompany">Hearst Corp.</a>, and <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/211492?TID=rss%2Fcompany">Cond Nast</a> (publisher of <em>Cond Nast Portfolio</em> and Portfolio.com)all agreed to join a new rapid-reporting system that provides circulation data in close to real time rather than just twice a year. <br>           <br>    Time Inc.also relented to a demand by advertisers to guarantee a minimum circulation for each issue rather than an average circulation for six months' worth of magazines. Given Time Inc.'s industry-leading status, other publishers are expected to follow suit. <br>           <br>           <br>           <h3>Information <em>Will</em> Be Free</h3>    <p><br>           <span>S</span>ince the dawn of the internet, &quot;content wants to be free&quot; has been the rallying cry of digital evangelists. But those who wanted to charge for content could always point to a shining example: the <em>Wall Street Journal</em>, with its 1 million online subscribers and $65 million in digital subscription revenue. <br>           <br>           That will all <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/daily-brief/2007/08/02/murdochs-digital-agenda">change in 2008</a>. Rupert Murdoch, whose <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/2826?TID=rss%2Fcompany">News Corp.</a> recently completed its <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2007/12/13/News-Corp-Dow-Jones-Deal-Done%20">$5 billion acquisition</a> of <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/499?TID=rss%2Fcompany">Dow Jones</a>, plans to set WSJ.com free, judging from several fairly <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/ap/2007/11/13/murdoch-says-wsj-web-site-to-drop-fees">unequivocal public pronouncements</a>. </p>       <p>Despite the short-term loss of subscription revenue, &quot;long term, it&#39;s kind of a slam dunk,&quot; says Mike Vorhaus, managing director at the consulting firm <a href="http://www.magid.com/%20">Frank N. Magid Associates</a>. The money that is made from selling ads that reach a much larger audience will <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/odd-numbers/2007/10/03/the-timesselect-effect">more than make up for losses</a>, he adds.  <br>           <br>           The <em>New York Times</em> had a similar epiphany in September, when it <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/mixed-media/2007/09/17/now-its-official-timesselect-is-history">shut down TimesSelect</a>, its premium content service.  But business news seemed to be one place where online subscriptions could still be sold successfully. <br>           <br>           The <em>Journal</em>'s move, however, will change the economics for competitors such as the <em>Financial Times</em>, which also charges a fee. &quot;If the <em>Wall Street Journal</em> goes free, I suspect [FT.com] will also do it,&quot; says John Morton, an independent newspaper-industry analyst in Silver Spring, Maryland.<br>           <br><span> </span>           Companies that provide data rather than news may perhaps be <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/reuters/2007/11/16/murdochs-free-wsjcom-could-hurt-parts-of-dow">more immune</a> to the live-free-or-die fever, but then again, they might not. <br>           <br>           ConsumerReports.org has been another success to date; just this month, it signed up its <a href="http://www.foliomag.com/2007/consumer-reports-surpasses-3-000-000-online-subscriptions">3 millionth paid subscriber</a>. But Jarvis predicts that free content will triumph eventually in that arena as well. <br>           <br>           &quot;Somebody&#39;s going to come along and pull a Craigslist on them,&quot; says Jarvis, referring to the listings site that has decimated newspapers&#39; classified sections. &quot;It&#39;s the kind of data you can get from your fellow customers.&quot;<br>           <br>           <br>           </p>    <h3>Time to Part Ways?</h3><br>           <span>T</span>his was the year <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/2079?TID=rss%2Fcompany">Time Warner</a> <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/market-movers/2007/10/23/extra-credit-tuesday-edition">stopped being the world's largest media company</a>, thanks to its comatose stock price. In 2008, Time Warner will probably cease being No. 2.<br>           <br>           Instead, it is likely to break itself up into several narrowly focused media companies: cable television in one, for example; magazines in another; digital media in a third; and movies and TV on their own. While current C.E.O. <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/executive-profiles/57991?TID=rss%2Fexec">Richard Parsons</a> pursued stability above all in his five-year tenure, his successor, <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/executive-profiles/98325?TID=rss%2Fexec">Jeff Bewkes</a>, is widely expected to make some <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2007/09/17/news/companies/twx_bewkes.fortune/index.htm%20">bolder moves</a>. <br>           <br>           Magid&#39;s Vorhaus said he believes that AOL, Time Warner&#39;s digital arm, has endeared itself to the parent corporation by reinventing itself as &quot;an advertising infrastructure, support, and delivery company.&quot; <br>           <br>           Phillips, meanwhile, predicts that Bewkes&#39; first move will be to sell IPC, the company&#39;s British magazine arm. After that, &quot;my guess is something will happen at <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/9907?TID=rss%2Fcompany">Time Warner Cable</a> first, and that Time Inc. is really a year away from evaluation,&quot; says Phillips. Bewkes will wait to see if Time Inc.&#39;s internet properties can build on the early success of their recent reorganization.<br>           <br>           Still another media analyst predicts radical change, including the spin off of Time Inc. as a &quot;quasi-public&quot; company, and the hiring of <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/4358?TID=rss%2Fcompany">Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia</a> C.E.O. <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/executive-profiles/25374?TID=rss%2Fexec">Susan Lyne</a> to run it, replacing the retiring <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/resources/executive-profiles/180084?TID=rss%2Fexec">Ann Moore</a>. <br>           <br>           &quot;Bewkes has got to do something,&quot; says the analyst, who declined to be named. &quot;He&#39;s got to not be Dick Parsons, first of all. And he&#39;s had enough time to think about it.&quot;<br>           <br>           Related Links<br><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/mixed-media/2007/09/24/time-piece-is-time-inc-ready-for-a-spin-out?TID=RelatedRSSFeed">Time Piece: Is Time Inc. Ready for a Spin-Out?</a><br><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/mixed-media/2007/09/14/shuffling-for-the-sake-of-shuffling-at-time-inc?TID=RelatedRSSFeed">Shuffling for the Sake of Shuffling at Time Inc.</a><br><a href="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2007/11/06/Facebook-Tries-to-Tap-the-Fansumer?TID=RelatedRSSFeed">Facebook Tries to Tap the 'Fansumer'</a><br><br style="clear:both">
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         <title>Are you a sysadmin?</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Here&amp;#8217;s what we just put up on Craigslist New York today:<br>	Blip.tv, a growing business focused on providing services to Web shows, is looking for a Senior Systems Administrator and Network Engineer to support our growing infrastructure. The ideal candidate will be a well-rounded BOFH who is passionate about security, system and network design. You&amp;#8217;ve got [...]<br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/growing">growing</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/growing"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/growing.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/network">network</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/network"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/network.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/infrastructure">infrastructure</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/infrastructure"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/infrastructure.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/ideal">ideal</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/ideal"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/ideal.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/support">support</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/support"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/support.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[Here&amp;#8217;s what we just put up on Craigslist New York today:<br>	Blip.tv, a growing business focused on providing services to Web shows, is looking for a Senior Systems Administrator and Network Engineer to support our growing infrastructure. The ideal candidate will be a well-rounded BOFH who is passionate about security, system and network design. You&amp;#8217;ve got [...]<br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/growing">growing</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/growing"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/growing.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/network">network</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/network"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/network.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/infrastructure">infrastructure</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/infrastructure"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/infrastructure.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/ideal">ideal</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/ideal"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/ideal.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/support">support</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/support"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/support.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></content:encoded>

         <pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:14:59 -0500</pubDate>         <guid isPermaLink="false">tag:croncast.com,1554</guid>

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         <title>Craigslist Ads Booked, WOM Hits $1B, Ad Age IDEA Reviewed</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[- All those fake ads on Craigslist have now made their way into book form with the publication of Johnna Gattinella's book, My Year on Craigslist. - Advertising for Peanuts lays down the law when it comes to consumer-generated...<br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/craigslist">craigslist</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/craigslist"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/craigslist.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/book">book</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/book"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/book.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/ads">ads</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/ads"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/ads.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/year">year</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/year"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/year.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/gattinella">gattinella</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/gattinella"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/gattinella.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[- All those fake ads on Craigslist have now made their way into book form with the publication of Johnna Gattinella's book, My Year on Craigslist. - Advertising for Peanuts lays down the law when it comes to consumer-generated...<br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/craigslist">craigslist</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/craigslist"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/craigslist.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/book">book</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/book"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/book.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/ads">ads</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/ads"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/ads.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/year">year</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/year"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/year.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/gattinella">gattinella</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/gattinella"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/gattinella.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></content:encoded>

         <pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:48:00 -0500</pubDate>         <guid isPermaLink="false">tag:croncast.com,1255</guid>

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         <title>GotCast (Beta) Is Looking For Talent</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[With the Hollywood writer' strike in full swing, the TV networks are about to green light a lot more reality TV shows and other non-scripted  programs.  Wil Schroter, a serial entrepreneur in Columbus, Ohio wants to help fill those shows through GotCast (he is also CEO of GoBig Network, a Craigslist for startups [...]<br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/gotcast">gotcast</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/gotcast"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/gotcast.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/shows">shows</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/shows"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/shows.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/tv">tv</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/tv"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/tv.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/serial">serial</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/serial"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/serial.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/entrepreneur">entrepreneur</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/entrepreneur"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/entrepreneur.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[With the Hollywood writer' strike in full swing, the TV networks are about to green light a lot more reality TV shows and other non-scripted  programs.  Wil Schroter, a serial entrepreneur in Columbus, Ohio wants to help fill those shows through GotCast (he is also CEO of GoBig Network, a Craigslist for startups [...]<br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/gotcast">gotcast</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/gotcast"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/gotcast.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/shows">shows</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/shows"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/shows.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/tv">tv</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/tv"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/tv.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/serial">serial</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/serial"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/serial.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/entrepreneur">entrepreneur</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/entrepreneur"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/entrepreneur.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></content:encoded>

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         <title>Random thoughts from the United Airlines Red Carpet Lounge at JFK</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[1. Craig Newmark is one of the smartest business folks I've ever met. I was watching CNN recently and they were talking about a women who had been either killed or attacked--I was half listening--by a person who tried to hire her for a job listed on Craigslist. Now, for any other online service it would have become a "MySpace killed this women" type discussion, as if a website or domain name could reach out from behind the monitor you're reading this on and strangle you. However, for Craigslist it was a different story. The anchor said something to the effect of "are the authorities in touch with Craig from CraigsList?" Brilliant. Craig has put him out there so much and has been so helpful for so long that the anchor on CNN a) knew who he was and b) gave him the benefit of the doubt. Take note people: being responsible for your brand on and offline is VERY important.<br><br>2. I'm really tired of meeting the same folks over and over again. Dim Sum 2.0 on Thursday night really sent it home for me, and to a certain extent the same reasons were why I didn't go to The Lobby conference. Now, I love Dave Hornick, and I was really flattered to be invited. HOWEVER, spending $2,500 for a ticket to a conference with no agenda to spend time with 100 folks I already know really well and can take a meeting with at any time is, well, not so important to me right now. What's important to me right now, on a business and creative level, is meeting people I don't know. <br><br>3. In a related note, my favorite part of the TechCrunch40 event, which we are in planning stages for 2008 on, was meeting all these new companies and entrepreneurs. Getting to hear people's visions, hopes, dreams, and fears is really special and I don't take it lightly. The TechCrunch40 event took 10 days of my life--and those days are important when you're running a startup. Those days were well spent given the amazing insights and inspirations they gave me. For me spending the week up to the event with the presenting companies was like going to a Yoga retreat. It was pure Zen. I can't wait until next year!<br><br>4. People get odd as they get older. I've started noticing this more and more both in myself and other people I know. They get locked into certain ways of doing things without even knowing it. The way our dry yourself when you get out of the shower, the way you read the newspaper, and the way you interact with people can all of a sudden--over 20 years--become set. I think it's important to change that and break the synapses in your brain. I think that's what Twitter did to me with regard to five years of blogging and what blogging did to me after 10 years of writing. Blogging let me communicate in a conversation tone and now Twitter has allowed me to speak in fragments. The next step is obviously to speak in gestures. <br> <br>5. Looks like we lost the tape of the Gillmor Gang we tapped on Friday. It's a damn shame because EVERY member of the old Gillmor Gang was on the show and it was probably the best show ever ALMOST taped. I seriously think the GG is cursed... every time we try to bring it back something,<strike> or some lawsuit</strike>, comes and smacks it back down.<br><br>6. I noticed that a number of other folks have picked up on my "Random thoughts from..." style of blog post. That's kind of cool.<br><br>7. Had drinks with the Weblogs, Inc. team last night and I have to say in some ways I was depressing for me. Most folks have left the brands they helped build and the ones who stayed are dealing with, how do I say this in a nice way, umm... "challenges." Of course, it was inspiring at the same time because so many of the folks had moved on to bigger and better things, or were plotting bigger and better things. One of the great joys of my life is seeing the talented folks who I've hired over the years go on to do things that are 1,000x better than the things they did with me. Certainly there is a certain amount of ego-centrism involved in a statement like that, but truth be told I think that one of the things that happens when folks work with me is that they say "well, if Jason could make it happen why can't I." That's a perfectly reasonable statement and it's true. As I said at USC on Friday night when talking about entrepreneurship it's all about how many times you try because even a blind man can hit the ball if he swings the bat enough times. <br><br>8. The Knicks played a strong game last night against LeBron James and four other guys in Cavaliers uniforms. They lost, but they kept LeBron under 50 points, so I guess that's success. <br><br>9. The Knicks play again tonight against the Kevin Garnett-less Timberwolves. It should be a blow out... I'm just hoping the Knicks put up a fight.<br><br>10. The Knicks have a great chance of making the playoffs this year... if Boston and New Jersey wind up involved in a betting scandal and get suspended for the season. <br><br>11. Seriously, I kid, I kid.... I love my Knicks, I've just set my expectations so low at this point that if the Knicks break 40 wins I'd be happy... that is, 40 games over the next two seasons. ZING! POW! Thanks everyone I'll be here for three more nights... do try the veal and take care of your waiter--those guys are working real hard for you.<br><br>12. I'm off to LA.<h6 style="clear:both;padding:8px 0 0 0;font-size:1px;border:0;margin:0;padding:0"></h6><a href="http://www.calacanis.com/2007/11/04/random-thoughts-from-the-united-airlines-red-carpet-lounge-at-jf/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent link to this entry">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.calacanis.com/forward/1029540/" title="Send this entry to a friend via email">Email this</a> | <a href="http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?rank=&amp;fc=1&amp;url=http://www.calacanis.com/2007/11/04/random-thoughts-from-the-united-airlines-red-carpet-lounge-at-jf/" title="Linking Blogs">Linking Blogs</a> | <a href="http://www.calacanis.com/2007/11/04/random-thoughts-from-the-united-airlines-red-carpet-lounge-at-jf/#comments" title="View reader comments on this entry">Comments</a><br><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/folks">folks</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/folks"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/folks.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/knicks">knicks</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/knicks"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/knicks.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/night">night</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/night"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/night.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/meeting">meeting</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/meeting"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/meeting.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/years">years</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/years"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/years.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[1. Craig Newmark is one of the smartest business folks I've ever met. I was watching CNN recently and they were talking about a women who had been either killed or attacked--I was half listening--by a person who tried to hire her for a job listed on Craigslist. Now, for any other online service it would have become a "MySpace killed this women" type discussion, as if a website or domain name could reach out from behind the monitor you're reading this on and strangle you. However, for Craigslist it was a different story. The anchor said something to the effect of "are the authorities in touch with Craig from CraigsList?" Brilliant. Craig has put him out there so much and has been so helpful for so long that the anchor on CNN a) knew who he was and b) gave him the benefit of the doubt. Take note people: being responsible for your brand on and offline is VERY important.<br><br>2. I'm really tired of meeting the same folks over and over again. Dim Sum 2.0 on Thursday night really sent it home for me, and to a certain extent the same reasons were why I didn't go to The Lobby conference. Now, I love Dave Hornick, and I was really flattered to be invited. HOWEVER, spending $2,500 for a ticket to a conference with no agenda to spend time with 100 folks I already know really well and can take a meeting with at any time is, well, not so important to me right now. What's important to me right now, on a business and creative level, is meeting people I don't know. <br><br>3. In a related note, my favorite part of the TechCrunch40 event, which we are in planning stages for 2008 on, was meeting all these new companies and entrepreneurs. Getting to hear people's visions, hopes, dreams, and fears is really special and I don't take it lightly. The TechCrunch40 event took 10 days of my life--and those days are important when you're running a startup. Those days were well spent given the amazing insights and inspirations they gave me. For me spending the week up to the event with the presenting companies was like going to a Yoga retreat. It was pure Zen. I can't wait until next year!<br><br>4. People get odd as they get older. I've started noticing this more and more both in myself and other people I know. They get locked into certain ways of doing things without even knowing it. The way our dry yourself when you get out of the shower, the way you read the newspaper, and the way you interact with people can all of a sudden--over 20 years--become set. I think it's important to change that and break the synapses in your brain. I think that's what Twitter did to me with regard to five years of blogging and what blogging did to me after 10 years of writing. Blogging let me communicate in a conversation tone and now Twitter has allowed me to speak in fragments. The next step is obviously to speak in gestures. <br> <br>5. Looks like we lost the tape of the Gillmor Gang we tapped on Friday. It's a damn shame because EVERY member of the old Gillmor Gang was on the show and it was probably the best show ever ALMOST taped. I seriously think the GG is cursed... every time we try to bring it back something,<strike> or some lawsuit</strike>, comes and smacks it back down.<br><br>6. I noticed that a number of other folks have picked up on my "Random thoughts from..." style of blog post. That's kind of cool.<br><br>7. Had drinks with the Weblogs, Inc. team last night and I have to say in some ways I was depressing for me. Most folks have left the brands they helped build and the ones who stayed are dealing with, how do I say this in a nice way, umm... "challenges." Of course, it was inspiring at the same time because so many of the folks had moved on to bigger and better things, or were plotting bigger and better things. One of the great joys of my life is seeing the talented folks who I've hired over the years go on to do things that are 1,000x better than the things they did with me. Certainly there is a certain amount of ego-centrism involved in a statement like that, but truth be told I think that one of the things that happens when folks work with me is that they say "well, if Jason could make it happen why can't I." That's a perfectly reasonable statement and it's true. As I said at USC on Friday night when talking about entrepreneurship it's all about how many times you try because even a blind man can hit the ball if he swings the bat enough times. <br><br>8. The Knicks played a strong game last night against LeBron James and four other guys in Cavaliers uniforms. They lost, but they kept LeBron under 50 points, so I guess that's success. <br><br>9. The Knicks play again tonight against the Kevin Garnett-less Timberwolves. It should be a blow out... I'm just hoping the Knicks put up a fight.<br><br>10. The Knicks have a great chance of making the playoffs this year... if Boston and New Jersey wind up involved in a betting scandal and get suspended for the season. <br><br>11. Seriously, I kid, I kid.... I love my Knicks, I've just set my expectations so low at this point that if the Knicks break 40 wins I'd be happy... that is, 40 games over the next two seasons. ZING! POW! Thanks everyone I'll be here for three more nights... do try the veal and take care of your waiter--those guys are working real hard for you.<br><br>12. I'm off to LA.<h6 style="clear:both;padding:8px 0 0 0;font-size:1px;border:0;margin:0;padding:0"></h6><a href="http://www.calacanis.com/2007/11/04/random-thoughts-from-the-united-airlines-red-carpet-lounge-at-jf/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent link to this entry">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.calacanis.com/forward/1029540/" title="Send this entry to a friend via email">Email this</a> | <a href="http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?rank=&amp;fc=1&amp;url=http://www.calacanis.com/2007/11/04/random-thoughts-from-the-united-airlines-red-carpet-lounge-at-jf/" title="Linking Blogs">Linking Blogs</a> | <a href="http://www.calacanis.com/2007/11/04/random-thoughts-from-the-united-airlines-red-carpet-lounge-at-jf/#comments" title="View reader comments on this entry">Comments</a><br><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/folks">folks</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/folks"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/folks.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/knicks">knicks</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/knicks"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/knicks.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/night">night</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/night"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/night.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/meeting">meeting</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/meeting"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/meeting.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/years">years</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/years"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/years.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></content:encoded>

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         <title>Do we need a Writers Guild on the Internet?</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<embed src="http://flash.revver.com/player/1.0/player.swf" bgcolor="#000000" allowScriptAccess="never" flashvars="mediaId=429166&amp;affiliateId=106531&amp;allowFullScreen=true" height="292" width="380"></embed><br> <br><br><br>There's a writers strike looming but I'm not sure we need a Writers Guild on the web. As <a href="http://newteevee.com/2007/10/12/writers-guild-makes-stake-perfectly-clear/">Craig Rubens of NewTeeVee</a> writes, The last Writers strike spawned Reality TV shows like Survivor. Now there are Independently produced Reality Shows like The Next Internet Millionaire that are up, running and building an audience with global distribution on the Internet.<br><br>As an artist plagued with ideas this is the first time in my life I can afford the canvas to create whatever pops into my head. Creating entertainment with moving pictures, written words, pictures and digital code I've now reached a threshold where I can write, shoot, edit and distribute all by myself. I'm not as fluent in editing and the creation of HTML as I'd like to be but due to necessity I'm working on it and it's exhilarating to be able to dream something up, write it, produce it and distribute to the world in the same day. Now I'm one of a handful of people making money in viral videos but I'm still not able to survive solely on my personal creations. I supplement my income with new media work for hire" projects for studios, networks, consulting with Web 2.0 companies, podcasters and wanna-be podcasters.<br><br>Thanks to the Internet and the low cost of digital canvas this is the first time in the short history of filmed entertainment that writers and other digital artist don't need a Movie Studio or TV network to make a living by creating moving pictures. Unfortunately it may not be the lavish lifestyle they have been used to living complete with residuals and it most certainly will be a bumpy ride to transition from traditional media.<br><br>The people best positioned to make the most out of this WGA Writers strike are the 20 year old kids who can write, produce, direct, edit (maybe do a little motion graphics and music) and have some understanding of HTML and sales. (Little mini Robert Rodriguezs) These mini RRs will be able to create online entertainment, distribute it and monetize it enough to make a production assistant's wage  to start but with additionally attached advertising to their evergreen work or what I like to call Digital Residuals they will make a writer's salary and maybe more. If they are smart enough to build their own brand like <a href="http://askaninja.com">Ask a Ninja</a> has done they will never need a Movie Studio, TV Network or a Writers Guild. The other benefit they will have if they are smart, is that they will retain ownership of their properties and be able to license them to other platforms making even more money.<br><br>If you are a talented writer and make a good living right now in traditional media you really need the WGA fighting for you because the kids coming out of school now are mini RRs and what they can do on a used Apple MacBook Pro MA610LL/A 15" Notebook PC with a 2.33 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GB RAM, 120 GB Hard Drive, DVD/CD SuperDrive and a Sony HDR-UX7 digital video camera that they buy off Craigslist is amazing. They not only pose a threat to you they also potentially can threaten movie studio and TV revenues, especially if those studios and networks have to pay a lot of money for writers now when they aren't making any money online yet.<br><br>Sure the production won't be the same quality as traditional media for awhile but when viral videos start getting paid the advertising dollars that Cable TV gets for delivering more eyeballs than Cable TV delivers, production values will increase. Remember the early days of Cable TV? Shows looked like crap but the content was there and the eyeballs followed.<div><a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/1TimStreet" title="Subscribe to my feed" rel="alternate"><img src="http://www.feedburner.com/fb/images/pub/feed-icon32x32.png" alt="" style="border:0"></a><a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/1TimStreet" title="Subscribe to my feed" rel="alternate">Subscribe in a reader</a></div><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/1TimStreet/~4/169031122" height="1" width="1"><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/writers">writers</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/writers"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/writers.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/tv">tv</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/tv"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/tv.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/digital">digital</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/digital"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/digital.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/need">need</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/need"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/need.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/media">media</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/media"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/media.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<embed src="http://flash.revver.com/player/1.0/player.swf" bgcolor="#000000" allowScriptAccess="never" flashvars="mediaId=429166&amp;affiliateId=106531&amp;allowFullScreen=true" height="292" width="380"></embed><br> <br><br><br>There's a writers strike looming but I'm not sure we need a Writers Guild on the web. As <a href="http://newteevee.com/2007/10/12/writers-guild-makes-stake-perfectly-clear/">Craig Rubens of NewTeeVee</a> writes, The last Writers strike spawned Reality TV shows like Survivor. Now there are Independently produced Reality Shows like The Next Internet Millionaire that are up, running and building an audience with global distribution on the Internet.<br><br>As an artist plagued with ideas this is the first time in my life I can afford the canvas to create whatever pops into my head. Creating entertainment with moving pictures, written words, pictures and digital code I've now reached a threshold where I can write, shoot, edit and distribute all by myself. I'm not as fluent in editing and the creation of HTML as I'd like to be but due to necessity I'm working on it and it's exhilarating to be able to dream something up, write it, produce it and distribute to the world in the same day. Now I'm one of a handful of people making money in viral videos but I'm still not able to survive solely on my personal creations. I supplement my income with new media work for hire" projects for studios, networks, consulting with Web 2.0 companies, podcasters and wanna-be podcasters.<br><br>Thanks to the Internet and the low cost of digital canvas this is the first time in the short history of filmed entertainment that writers and other digital artist don't need a Movie Studio or TV network to make a living by creating moving pictures. Unfortunately it may not be the lavish lifestyle they have been used to living complete with residuals and it most certainly will be a bumpy ride to transition from traditional media.<br><br>The people best positioned to make the most out of this WGA Writers strike are the 20 year old kids who can write, produce, direct, edit (maybe do a little motion graphics and music) and have some understanding of HTML and sales. (Little mini Robert Rodriguezs) These mini RRs will be able to create online entertainment, distribute it and monetize it enough to make a production assistant's wage  to start but with additionally attached advertising to their evergreen work or what I like to call Digital Residuals they will make a writer's salary and maybe more. If they are smart enough to build their own brand like <a href="http://askaninja.com">Ask a Ninja</a> has done they will never need a Movie Studio, TV Network or a Writers Guild. The other benefit they will have if they are smart, is that they will retain ownership of their properties and be able to license them to other platforms making even more money.<br><br>If you are a talented writer and make a good living right now in traditional media you really need the WGA fighting for you because the kids coming out of school now are mini RRs and what they can do on a used Apple MacBook Pro MA610LL/A 15" Notebook PC with a 2.33 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GB RAM, 120 GB Hard Drive, DVD/CD SuperDrive and a Sony HDR-UX7 digital video camera that they buy off Craigslist is amazing. They not only pose a threat to you they also potentially can threaten movie studio and TV revenues, especially if those studios and networks have to pay a lot of money for writers now when they aren't making any money online yet.<br><br>Sure the production won't be the same quality as traditional media for awhile but when viral videos start getting paid the advertising dollars that Cable TV gets for delivering more eyeballs than Cable TV delivers, production values will increase. Remember the early days of Cable TV? Shows looked like crap but the content was there and the eyeballs followed.<div><a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/1TimStreet" title="Subscribe to my feed" rel="alternate"><img src="http://www.feedburner.com/fb/images/pub/feed-icon32x32.png" alt="" style="border:0"></a><a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/1TimStreet" title="Subscribe to my feed" rel="alternate">Subscribe in a reader</a></div><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/1TimStreet/~4/169031122" height="1" width="1"><br><br>Tags: <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/writers">writers</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/writers"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/writers.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/tv">tv</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/tv"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/tv.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/digital">digital</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/digital"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/digital.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/need">need</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/need"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/need.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyg/media">media</a> <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/media"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/technorati.gif" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.croncast.com/keyrssg/media.rss"><img src="http://www.croncast.com/images/c4_rss_tiny.jpg" border="0"></a>]]></content:encoded>

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